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How is "extinction" accurately used in this context? And why are players expected to remain "loyal" to a stroke? This headline is oddly phrased. It appears t

How is "extinction" accurately used in this context? And why are players expected to remain "loyal" to a stroke? This headline is oddly phrased. It appears to be a misuse of language, possibly for clickbait purposes.

ghaff 3y ago
It seems like perfectly reasonable succinct shorthand for "a technique that isn't taught and rarely used any longer." People really need to stop calling anything that isn't a detailed abstract "clickbait."
- matthewfelgate 3y ago
  That's not the definition of the word extinction.
  - cowpig 3y ago
    This comes across as pedantic to me
    - matthewfelgate 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - ghaff 3y ago
        Personally I'll go with Merriam-Webster which has the broader definition above the species extinction one. But what do they know?
braza 3y ago
Not the publication but giving a bit more context: Since the learning of 1/2HB is established most of the time during the player development, the issue is if someone does not learn and stick with a particular way of backhand it's quite unlikely or almost impossible to switch when you're a high performance athlete. Let's say that this is not a "stroke" (for the lack of a better comparison) ask a player to switch from 1HB to 2HB it's more or less hard (I think it's harder) as change your swing as a Golf player.
bombcar 3y ago
It can indicate a change in the way games are being played. Something happens similar in baseball where the game can become nothing but home run bombs and strikeouts - which is boring to watch for some (others want nothing but).
- braza 3y ago
  I do not know exactly what a baseball bat for tennis is. I have some assumptions as an amateur player and following television over the years about why 1HB is not a thought anymore. No one is teaching 1HB anymore. Along the way, I went to several tennis schools, and it's quite hard to find a coach that offers training as a 1HB, most of the time because the person is a 2HB himself or herself or does not know what it takes to train a 1HB. The training itself is tougher. I had a coach who said that for every person that chose 1HB, he demanded at least 600 shots in the tennis wall in comparison with 200 of the 2HB, and with the game being as complex as it is in several other disciplines (footwork, volley, baseline, physical training), the least thing that you can do is to have almost 1 hour extra of training for a single shot. With the game becoming slower, 1HB became a honeypot for lefty players who could explore it a lot and baseline players who would return every single stroke. When people used to play on the carpet, one average player serving an American twist or a flat on the line made it very hard for a 2BH to return due to the speed and anticipation needed. Today we have 2HB returning 150 MPH serves.
  - AndrewDavis 3y ago
    > The training itself is tougher. I had a coach who said that for every person that chose 1HB, he demanded at least 600 shots in the tennis wall in comparison with 200 of the 2HB, and with the game being as complex as it is in several other disciplines (footwork, volley, baseline, physical training), the least thing that you can do is to have almost 1 hour extra of training for a single shot. This is definitely true. You can get away with poorer technique and still have an ok-ish two-handed backhand because (and i'm heavily simplifying it here) you're using stronger muscles groups. There are some exceptions. Some people such as myself are profoundly uncoordinated in their non dominant arm, and after playing with a two-handed backhand my entire childhood it still sucked. It took only a few months to go from never having hit a one-handed backend to it eclipsing my two-hander in reliability (context i was ~15 hours a week, so it was still a lot of time commitment). Would it have been better if i'd made the change as a child? Maybe it would have been a lot better, or maybe it would have been a lot worse because i wouldn't have had the physical development and/or the discipline to focus on the fundamentals of the technique at 12 years old versus the age i did change at 19.
Ensorceled 3y ago
Extinct: gone out of use : superseded Extinction: the act of making extinct or causing to be extinguished How is this NOT an accurate use in this context? Seriously: did this perfectly valid, dictionary acceptable usage actually confuse you?
- matthewfelgate 3y ago
  Because it's not extinction. It's not like nobody is ever going to be able to hit a backhand tennis shot 1 handed ever again. Therefore it's not extinction.
  - Ensorceled 3y ago
    So, pedantry? Not confusing, but the hyperbole offended your sense of exactitude?
    - matthewfelgate 3y ago
      This is how we end up with alternative facts, fake news.

ghaff 3y ago

It seems like perfectly reasonable succinct shorthand for "a technique that isn't taught and rarely used any longer." People really need to stop calling anything that isn't a detailed abstract "clickbait."

matthewfelgate 3y ago
That's not the definition of the word extinction.
- cowpig 3y ago
  This comes across as pedantic to me
  - matthewfelgate 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - ghaff 3y ago
      Personally I'll go with Merriam-Webster which has the broader definition above the species extinction one. But what do they know?

braza 3y ago

Not the publication but giving a bit more context: Since the learning of 1/2HB is established most of the time during the player development, the issue is if someone does not learn and stick with a particular way of backhand it's quite unlikely or almost impossible to switch when you're a high performance athlete. Let's say that this is not a "stroke" (for the lack of a better comparison) ask a player to switch from 1HB to 2HB it's more or less hard (I think it's harder) as change your swing as a Golf player.

bombcar 3y ago

It can indicate a change in the way games are being played. Something happens similar in baseball where the game can become nothing but home run bombs and strikeouts - which is boring to watch for some (others want nothing but).

braza 3y ago
I do not know exactly what a baseball bat for tennis is. I have some assumptions as an amateur player and following television over the years about why 1HB is not a thought anymore. No one is teaching 1HB anymore. Along the way, I went to several tennis schools, and it's quite hard to find a coach that offers training as a 1HB, most of the time because the person is a 2HB himself or herself or does not know what it takes to train a 1HB. The training itself is tougher. I had a coach who said that for every person that chose 1HB, he demanded at least 600 shots in the tennis wall in comparison with 200 of the 2HB, and with the game being as complex as it is in several other disciplines (footwork, volley, baseline, physical training), the least thing that you can do is to have almost 1 hour extra of training for a single shot. With the game becoming slower, 1HB became a honeypot for lefty players who could explore it a lot and baseline players who would return every single stroke. When people used to play on the carpet, one average player serving an American twist or a flat on the line made it very hard for a 2BH to return due to the speed and anticipation needed. Today we have 2HB returning 150 MPH serves.
- AndrewDavis 3y ago
  > The training itself is tougher. I had a coach who said that for every person that chose 1HB, he demanded at least 600 shots in the tennis wall in comparison with 200 of the 2HB, and with the game being as complex as it is in several other disciplines (footwork, volley, baseline, physical training), the least thing that you can do is to have almost 1 hour extra of training for a single shot. This is definitely true. You can get away with poorer technique and still have an ok-ish two-handed backhand because (and i'm heavily simplifying it here) you're using stronger muscles groups. There are some exceptions. Some people such as myself are profoundly uncoordinated in their non dominant arm, and after playing with a two-handed backhand my entire childhood it still sucked. It took only a few months to go from never having hit a one-handed backend to it eclipsing my two-hander in reliability (context i was ~15 hours a week, so it was still a lot of time commitment). Would it have been better if i'd made the change as a child? Maybe it would have been a lot better, or maybe it would have been a lot worse because i wouldn't have had the physical development and/or the discipline to focus on the fundamentals of the technique at 12 years old versus the age i did change at 19.

Ensorceled 3y ago

Extinct: gone out of use : superseded Extinction: the act of making extinct or causing to be extinguished How is this NOT an accurate use in this context? Seriously: did this perfectly valid, dictionary acceptable usage actually confuse you?

matthewfelgate 3y ago
Because it's not extinction. It's not like nobody is ever going to be able to hit a backhand tennis shot 1 handed ever again. Therefore it's not extinction.
- Ensorceled 3y ago
  So, pedantry? Not confusing, but the hyperbole offended your sense of exactitude?
  - matthewfelgate 3y ago
    This is how we end up with alternative facts, fake news.