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> as do the times higher education rankings on all but perceived reputation The rankings are literally perceived reputation. All you need to do is look at wher

> as do the times higher education rankings on all but perceived reputation The rankings are literally perceived reputation. All you need to do is look at where people want to go to university. And that is overwhelmingly in the US.

lancewiggs 3y ago
The rankings are made by people (employers, academics) who often went to those same universities. I suspect what's happening in China is invisible to many of them.
yorwba 3y ago
If you want to find out which higher education system is the best—as opposed to the most popular—, asking people who haven't even studied there is a terrible idea. The education space is full of scams using perceived reputation to prey on students who don't know better. The US even set up a fake university without classes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington and people still signed up because they couldn't tell the difference. If you want to evaluate education quality, look at people who've gone through the system and how they're doing afterwards.
anonzzzies 3y ago
Well as the US has some not forced patriotism that we (in the EU) simply don’t have, the loudest shouters will have studied in the US.
supermatt 3y ago
> All you need to do is look at where people want to go to university Thats not what they are doing. They are asking people that have already been to university to name 15 universities that they consider good universities. They dont have to have attended them, they dont even rank them 1-15, they just name 15. Im assuming you can see the flaw with that model - a university that EVERYONE considers 15th would rank higher than one that 99% thought was the best and 1% didnt mention. They also have rankings based on other metrics. And even in those where the metrics are still weighted 50% with the reputation survey the US is often not even in the top 10. I think you can draw your own conclusions there. Go and verify for yourself if you dont believe me: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/by-subject https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... EDIT: downvotes for facts? I guess you didn't like the conclusion after all :)

lancewiggs 3y ago

The rankings are made by people (employers, academics) who often went to those same universities. I suspect what's happening in China is invisible to many of them.

yorwba 3y ago

If you want to find out which higher education system is the best—as opposed to the most popular—, asking people who haven't even studied there is a terrible idea. The education space is full of scams using perceived reputation to prey on students who don't know better. The US even set up a fake university without classes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/University_of_Farmington and people still signed up because they couldn't tell the difference. If you want to evaluate education quality, look at people who've gone through the system and how they're doing afterwards.

anonzzzies 3y ago

Well as the US has some not forced patriotism that we (in the EU) simply don’t have, the loudest shouters will have studied in the US.

supermatt 3y ago

> All you need to do is look at where people want to go to university Thats not what they are doing. They are asking people that have already been to university to name 15 universities that they consider good universities. They dont have to have attended them, they dont even rank them 1-15, they just name 15. Im assuming you can see the flaw with that model - a university that EVERYONE considers 15th would rank higher than one that 99% thought was the best and 1% didnt mention. They also have rankings based on other metrics. And even in those where the metrics are still weighted 50% with the reputation survey the US is often not even in the top 10. I think you can draw your own conclusions there. Go and verify for yourself if you dont believe me: https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankings/by-subject https://www.timeshighereducation.com/world-university-rankin... EDIT: downvotes for facts? I guess you didn't like the conclusion after all :)