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Do you have a source to that? Because all statistics I know actually show no real problems around theft and other peoperty crimes. Not saying said crime doesn't

by hef19898 3y ago

Do you have a source to that? Because all statistics I know actually show no real problems around theft and other peoperty crimes. Not saying said crime doesn't exist, also not saying travellers aren't committing them (because of course every group has its criminals). All I dispute is that some crime is a reason to discriminate a whole grpup, further marginalize them, and making it easier for them see no problem in committing crimes as a way of striking back. Also, viewing something as part of a culture, and actually doing it are still two different things. Also, I'd love to see claims like thqt, when if backed by interviews, further being put into context by actual numbers, especially from a field sociologist. You know, the whole strong claim, strong evidence thing.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago
You can refer to the paragraph I added in an edit. I fully agree that any such crime is not a reason to marginalize a whole ethnic group. But you yourself acknowledge that criminals exist, and you spoke of addressing root causes for crime, so how do you address the root cause for those families I mentioned? I’m not linking to said friend’s research here lest I dox her and myself on a subject that seems contentious enough for some HN readers to possibly cause trouble for her.
- hef19898 3y ago
  Fair enough I guess, re doxxing. Crime exists, different crimes are committed by different groups. Saying those crimes are inherent, dor whatever reason, to certain groups is just a bad take. Those groups migjt be more prone to commit certain crimes due to circumstances, but than those circumstances need being further analyzed. And yes, property crimes, with an already frightingly low rate of successful police investigations, is easier for people being constantly on the move. One thing that is also true: marginalized, discrimintaed and sidelined groups are more likely to commit crimes. So, one reason would be to offer alternatives, and as a society accept them as they are. Doesn't mean zero crime will be committed, but then again crime is a general problem that will never ever go away ever.

OfSanguineFire 3y ago

You can refer to the paragraph I added in an edit. I fully agree that any such crime is not a reason to marginalize a whole ethnic group. But you yourself acknowledge that criminals exist, and you spoke of addressing root causes for crime, so how do you address the root cause for those families I mentioned? I’m not linking to said friend’s research here lest I dox her and myself on a subject that seems contentious enough for some HN readers to possibly cause trouble for her.

hef19898 3y ago
Fair enough I guess, re doxxing. Crime exists, different crimes are committed by different groups. Saying those crimes are inherent, dor whatever reason, to certain groups is just a bad take. Those groups migjt be more prone to commit certain crimes due to circumstances, but than those circumstances need being further analyzed. And yes, property crimes, with an already frightingly low rate of successful police investigations, is easier for people being constantly on the move. One thing that is also true: marginalized, discrimintaed and sidelined groups are more likely to commit crimes. So, one reason would be to offer alternatives, and as a society accept them as they are. Doesn't mean zero crime will be committed, but then again crime is a general problem that will never ever go away ever.