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You didn't think it was a bit fucked that kids don't get to go to school but rather trot their ponies up the old railway line?

throwaway290 3y ago
If parents don't need to go away to work then homeschooling is much better, just as long as kids socialize in some way. The origin of modern schools is daycare while parents are away slaving at the factory and to make more obedient industrial cogs. The fact that kids are bunched up together randomly with each other to grow into bullies/bullied/abuse victims (and taught by strangers who let's be frank could not do better than teaching career) is not a concern.
- gnfargbl 3y ago
  Education is essential if we want to give children a chance at social mobility. Traditional schools have their problems, including those you list, but at least children taught in them can get some qualifications, and those qualifications give the children a shot at doing something other than the same as their parents. If the only education the parents themselves got was walking a pony up and down a railway line, it's unlikely that they are in a position to effectively homeschool a child.
  - throwaway290 3y ago
    Why do you assume it's the only education? It's clearly a way to make money which is needed to get by in some particular society they happen to be in. Maybe they don't get the exact same uniform training as at regular schools but I don't know whether it's as "fucked up" as those schools are in many countries.
- DoughnutHole 3y ago
  Homeschooling only works when the parents are educated. Pre-industrial homeschooling only occurred in wealthy families, or perhaps learning a trade - the closest most people got to an education was what they were told in church. Modern western homeschooling is the result of state-directed schooling bringing the average person up to the level of education of an 18th century nobleman. Itinerant children in Europe are not getting anything like the education of an American child who's well-to-do parents decided to homeschool them. The boys learn the family trades and the girls learn to look after the household. Parents often have poor literacy and numeracy and are not capable of or interested in providing an academic education. Whether or not that's enough is up to you, but the opportunities of children raised without anything resembling a modern schooling in today's society are limited. The failure to provide adequate education to the children of itinerant communities is a huge driving factor of their continued poverty.

throwaway290 3y ago

If parents don't need to go away to work then homeschooling is much better, just as long as kids socialize in some way. The origin of modern schools is daycare while parents are away slaving at the factory and to make more obedient industrial cogs. The fact that kids are bunched up together randomly with each other to grow into bullies/bullied/abuse victims (and taught by strangers who let's be frank could not do better than teaching career) is not a concern.

gnfargbl 3y ago
Education is essential if we want to give children a chance at social mobility. Traditional schools have their problems, including those you list, but at least children taught in them can get some qualifications, and those qualifications give the children a shot at doing something other than the same as their parents. If the only education the parents themselves got was walking a pony up and down a railway line, it's unlikely that they are in a position to effectively homeschool a child.
- throwaway290 3y ago
  Why do you assume it's the only education? It's clearly a way to make money which is needed to get by in some particular society they happen to be in. Maybe they don't get the exact same uniform training as at regular schools but I don't know whether it's as "fucked up" as those schools are in many countries.
DoughnutHole 3y ago
Homeschooling only works when the parents are educated. Pre-industrial homeschooling only occurred in wealthy families, or perhaps learning a trade - the closest most people got to an education was what they were told in church. Modern western homeschooling is the result of state-directed schooling bringing the average person up to the level of education of an 18th century nobleman. Itinerant children in Europe are not getting anything like the education of an American child who's well-to-do parents decided to homeschool them. The boys learn the family trades and the girls learn to look after the household. Parents often have poor literacy and numeracy and are not capable of or interested in providing an academic education. Whether or not that's enough is up to you, but the opportunities of children raised without anything resembling a modern schooling in today's society are limited. The failure to provide adequate education to the children of itinerant communities is a huge driving factor of their continued poverty.