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You're kidding right? The CIA has black sites specifically for people like that

by thereare5lights 3y ago

ethanbond 3y ago
For people's political speech? Can you provide an example?
- thereare5lights 3y ago
  > Show me one instance America detaining someone for a family member’s political dissidence? Nah we're not playing your game of restricting this to family members for political speech. Your original point was to address > Amen. I've never understood why people fear speculated Chinese and Russian spying, while they never seem to recall the US spying that is well documented and confirmed. https://ccrjustice.org/files/ghost-detention.pdf https://ccrjustice.org/files/ghost-detention.pdf > In some cases, family members – including young children – of “ghost detainees” have been detained themselves, and held in CIA secret sites, including 9 and 7 year old boys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_detainee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_detainee
  - ethanbond 3y ago
    "Nah we're not playing your game of [responding to the point you actually made]" The question is why US spying is treated differently than Chinese and Russian. The answer is that China and Russia behave dramatically differently than the US does. I never made any claim as to the US being some flawless benevolent entity, but I made a clear argument (that you've not refuted) as to why most of the global community views them differently.
    - thereare5lights 3y ago
      > The answer is that China and Russia behave dramatically differently than the US does. yes. they are open about what they do whereas we do it covertly > why most of the global community views them differently. citation needed "most of the global community" you mean the west, which is not even a majority of the global community. but even if it was a majority, again, because we do it covertly, we hide it and everyone only sees the good things until someone like snowden comes along and leaks our dirty laundry.

You're kidding right? The CIA has black sites specifically for people like that

ethanbond 3y ago

For people's political speech? Can you provide an example?

thereare5lights 3y ago
> Show me one instance America detaining someone for a family member’s political dissidence? Nah we're not playing your game of restricting this to family members for political speech. Your original point was to address > Amen. I've never understood why people fear speculated Chinese and Russian spying, while they never seem to recall the US spying that is well documented and confirmed. https://ccrjustice.org/files/ghost-detention.pdf https://ccrjustice.org/files/ghost-detention.pdf > In some cases, family members – including young children – of “ghost detainees” have been detained themselves, and held in CIA secret sites, including 9 and 7 year old boys. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_detainee https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghost_detainee
- ethanbond 3y ago
  "Nah we're not playing your game of [responding to the point you actually made]" The question is why US spying is treated differently than Chinese and Russian. The answer is that China and Russia behave dramatically differently than the US does. I never made any claim as to the US being some flawless benevolent entity, but I made a clear argument (that you've not refuted) as to why most of the global community views them differently.
  - thereare5lights 3y ago
    > The answer is that China and Russia behave dramatically differently than the US does. yes. they are open about what they do whereas we do it covertly > why most of the global community views them differently. citation needed "most of the global community" you mean the west, which is not even a majority of the global community. but even if it was a majority, again, because we do it covertly, we hide it and everyone only sees the good things until someone like snowden comes along and leaks our dirty laundry.