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Invented tradition
- iamthemonster 3y agoI love finding examples of this in food too - for example hot dogs sold out of push carts in New York date back to the 1860s whereas ciabatta dates back to 1982.
- ed_westin 3y agoFrom a Newsweek article, sliced bread was invented in 1928. French fries and baguettes in the 1920s. https://www.newsweek.com/food-invented-last-100-years-1643365 https://www.newsweek.com/food-invented-last-100-years-164336...
- pfannkuchen 3y agoOn (pre)sliced bread, the slices dry out unless you ruin the bread with weird industrial chemicals. I would guess that is why it wasn’t popular earlier.
- ed_westin 3y agoHeinz invented beans on toast in 1927 https://www.internationelle.org/beans-on-toast/ https://www.internationelle.org/beans-on-toast/
- icegreentea2 3y agoThe defining feature of 'invented tradition' as a term is that it's presented or perceived as older than it is. The 'perceived' part gets weird when the tradition escapes its founding environment. I will admit that I thought ciabatta was older than 1982, but I do wonder what the perception and presentation of it was like when it did come out in Italy at the time.
- Avshalom 3y agoItalian food is full of stuff like this https://archive.ph/4gwGh https://archive.ph/4gwGh kind of a combination of facism era mythmaking then postwar recovery era mythmaking
- gumby 3y agoAn important propaganda function in forming group unity. In the case of national unity, it seems to have been most effectively implemented by various Chinese dynasties (in fits and starts, of course) and France under Louis XIII and Louis XIV. Famously it was seriously pursued, but luckily not especially effectively, by the Nazi regime. The case that amuses me most is famous to English speakers, is of course cited in the Wikipedia article: the emergence of a blended "British" culture in the reign of Victoria: Tartans being the most famous, but also national anthems, brides in white, today's formal fashion (suits, military dress uniforms, and the like) and so on. What amuses me most is the ad-hoc nature (so consistent with how the british developed an empire) and especially how widely it spread: North Korean military uniforms look like 19th century upper class dress and Japanese weddings remind one of Victoria's.
- ed_westin 3y agoAs is the modern invention of ancient white marble statues: https://www.metmuseum.org/perspectives/videos/2022/7/spotlight-caligula-brinkmanns https://www.metmuseum.org/perspectives/videos/2022/7/spotlig...
- MichaelZuo 3y agoI don't think this is true for genuine, dug up from the ground, ancient greek and roman statues. Replicas are a different story. You can clearly see leftover pigments, grains of dirt, and various other undertones when you look closely at any museum with these statues. They clearly are nowhere near a pure white colour, without any exception that I've seen.
- ed_westin 3y agoPurity can play an outsized part for some identities and moral worldviews. The truth is messier than myth.
- MichaelZuo 3y agoBut that's the point, anyone who bothered to pay close attention wouldn't have believed in the purity myth in the first place. Of course those folks who don't care enough to pay attention might believe in such a myth, but why try to convince folks that don't care?
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- csw-001 3y agoOn a much smaller scale we do this in our family. We take weird, wonderful, or strange occurrences and formalize them to family traditions - pretending we’ve always done them and they are sacred. It’s wonderful part of our family culture. One example - we had a cookie decorating party a decade ago and found once we had a house full of friends that we no cookie cutters at all! I ran to the CVS on the corner and for some reason the only cookie cutters they had were leftover Halloween ghosts… we’ve made Christmas ghost cookies every year since. We wouldn’t dare make trees or wreaths or Santas… our kids think this tradition is passed down for years, with varying insane stories as to why. It’s a huge part of Christmas fun to get out our ghost cutters! Tradition is the glue of culture.
- derekp7 3y agoAfter reading through the article, I was wondering if something like the Coca Cola depiction of Santa is an example of this? Or Elf on a Shelf?
- tmnvix 3y agoAlso mothers day and fathers day.
- mikhailfranco 3y agoThey have the hallmark of Hallmark inventions.
- DerekL 3y ago“Coca-Cola invented the modern image of Santa Claus” is itself a myth. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/the-claus-that-refreshes/
- robg 3y agoLove celebrating my long family history of Festivus. Lore tells of my great-grand poppy, Jedidiah, and his feats of strength. He won his first Festivus at 8 and didn’t lose again until he was 93.
- astrange 3y agoApproximately all traditional European recipes are like this - Italians may have meltdowns if you try to change anything about their food (or have a cappuccino after 11am), but that food was still invented around 1960 by Italian-Americans and then brought back. Which is why it all has New World plants in it.
- tetris11 3y ago"Look to the mint of your seven/eaten shits", a daily nonsense phrase used in disapproving exclamation of an unlikely event. No one knows where it comes from, and people with similar backgrounds as me raise a curious eyebrow when its said, but its origin reaches at least as far back as my great-grandmother's generation.