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I ride Cruise daily– I think it's entirely a scoping problem and what they decide to finalize as "FSD". From my exp autonomous driving seems entirely plausible

I ride Cruise daily– I think it's entirely a scoping problem and what they decide to finalize as "FSD". From my exp autonomous driving seems entirely plausible within large cities at slower speeds that don't instantly kill you or others, and outside that just as good a lane assist + cruise control as you can get– the rest is branding FSD and walking back a claim or two around it. It all seems very malleable.

mavu 3y ago
> at slower speeds that don't instantly kill you or others, So, what speed would that be that is safe for pedestrians? And how useful is FSD that only drives at that speed? See where this is going?
baz00 3y ago
Of course the position is malleable. The ideal end game would be a constrained system. So I mean if you put the cars on rails and gave them a dedicated space to run in, which would solve most of the determinism problems that'd be good. And you could possibly stuck a few of them together to increase overall capacity and efficiency too. We might then have a solution that's possible to execute FSD reliably on.
- paulryanrogers 3y ago
  So... trains?
  - cpcallen 3y ago
    Exactly.
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    Aliens.
- opyate 3y ago
  What's this about automated cars on rails? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway
  - baz00 3y ago
    That was exactly my point
inferiorhuman 3y ago
Cruise was finally hit with blame over someone's death after blocking in an ambulance. I'm not sure they're such a good example of autonomous driving done right. As for instantaneous death, a collision between a person an automobile at 25 mph is enough to do serious damage to the person. What you've described is autonomous driving at a walking pace, and somehow that doesn't sound so appealing.
- cma 3y ago
  Cruise says the ambulance left as soon as the person was loaded and the pedestrian was hit by a human driven car so hard to put 100% of the blame on Cruise. https://ktla.com/news/california/company-refutes-claim-that-self-driving-cars-blocked-california-ambulance-led-to-victims-death/ https://ktla.com/news/california/company-refutes-claim-that-...
  - inferiorhuman 3y ago
    Assuming Cruise is being truthful, sure. But that's like the fourth attempt that Cruise has made to shift the blame. First it was "there was room", then it was "but the police were also blocking the ambulance in" – ignoring that police on official business generally have reason to park haphazardly. Then it was "only one Cruise vehicle was legitimately stuck, the other moved ASAP". But so far they've shared their video with one local news outlet, but are prohibiting the video from being disclosed publicly (hmm). Where one party is motivated by profit and the other is not, I'm inclined to believe the latter. Having seen Cruise vehicles get wedged in traffic first hand I'm inclined to believe the fire department.
    - cma 3y ago
      The fire department now says they were wrong: > An internal San Francisco Fire Department report said a Cruise autonomous vehicle delayed an ambulance from transporting Davis to hospital, contributing to his death. > Now, the fire chief says the report was inaccurate in a joint statement with the SFMTA in which they call Davis' death "an all-around heartbreaking and tragic incident." > "The San Francisco Fire Chief has not attributed this pedestrian death to Cruise AVs," the statement said. "The city sends our deepest condolences to [the] family and friends of the victim." https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/12/muni-bus-killed-san-francisco-man-at-center-of-robotaxi-firefighter-dispute/ https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/12/muni-bus-killed-san-franci...

mavu 3y ago

> at slower speeds that don't instantly kill you or others, So, what speed would that be that is safe for pedestrians? And how useful is FSD that only drives at that speed? See where this is going?

baz00 3y ago

Of course the position is malleable. The ideal end game would be a constrained system. So I mean if you put the cars on rails and gave them a dedicated space to run in, which would solve most of the determinism problems that'd be good. And you could possibly stuck a few of them together to increase overall capacity and efficiency too. We might then have a solution that's possible to execute FSD reliably on.

paulryanrogers 3y ago
So... trains?
- cpcallen 3y ago
  Exactly.
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Aliens.
opyate 3y ago
What's this about automated cars on rails? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Docklands_Light_Railway
- baz00 3y ago
  That was exactly my point

inferiorhuman 3y ago

Cruise was finally hit with blame over someone's death after blocking in an ambulance. I'm not sure they're such a good example of autonomous driving done right. As for instantaneous death, a collision between a person an automobile at 25 mph is enough to do serious damage to the person. What you've described is autonomous driving at a walking pace, and somehow that doesn't sound so appealing.

cma 3y ago
Cruise says the ambulance left as soon as the person was loaded and the pedestrian was hit by a human driven car so hard to put 100% of the blame on Cruise. https://ktla.com/news/california/company-refutes-claim-that-self-driving-cars-blocked-california-ambulance-led-to-victims-death/ https://ktla.com/news/california/company-refutes-claim-that-...
- inferiorhuman 3y ago
  Assuming Cruise is being truthful, sure. But that's like the fourth attempt that Cruise has made to shift the blame. First it was "there was room", then it was "but the police were also blocking the ambulance in" – ignoring that police on official business generally have reason to park haphazardly. Then it was "only one Cruise vehicle was legitimately stuck, the other moved ASAP". But so far they've shared their video with one local news outlet, but are prohibiting the video from being disclosed publicly (hmm). Where one party is motivated by profit and the other is not, I'm inclined to believe the latter. Having seen Cruise vehicles get wedged in traffic first hand I'm inclined to believe the fire department.
  - cma 3y ago
    The fire department now says they were wrong: > An internal San Francisco Fire Department report said a Cruise autonomous vehicle delayed an ambulance from transporting Davis to hospital, contributing to his death. > Now, the fire chief says the report was inaccurate in a joint statement with the SFMTA in which they call Davis' death "an all-around heartbreaking and tragic incident." > "The San Francisco Fire Chief has not attributed this pedestrian death to Cruise AVs," the statement said. "The city sends our deepest condolences to [the] family and friends of the victim." https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/12/muni-bus-killed-san-francisco-man-at-center-of-robotaxi-firefighter-dispute/ https://sfstandard.com/2023/09/12/muni-bus-killed-san-franci...