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I don't think this is the core problem. Feedback is occurring, and the response isn't "Oh, I'm sorry. I'll avoid doing that in the future." It's "lighten up!"

I don't think this is the core problem. Feedback is occurring, and the response isn't "Oh, I'm sorry. I'll avoid doing that in the future." It's "lighten up!" That translates roughly to: "what I was doing that bothered you is so important to me that I refuse to stop, so get over it." I think that is the core problem.

xymostech 15y ago
I think it's even more than that. It's not "It's so important to me" it's "this shouldn't be important to you, because it doesn't seem important to me."
- antiterra 15y ago
  Well, our pronouns refer to two different things, but, yes. It's two sides of the same coin.
knightenvy 15y ago
I disagree. Lighten up means "I don't understand why that is bothering you because it wouldn't bother me." It is a lack of communication issue. In that article, many of the "lighten up's" are assumed based on past experiences. For example, she did not even address the guy for fear of interrupting the meeting.
- natep 15y ago
  That can't be what "lighten up" means because "lighten up" is a command, and your definition is not.
  - einhverfr 15y ago
    Woudl it be less offensive if instead of saying "lighten up" they said "it's no big deal. Why are you always so up tight anyway?" Certainly the latter is not a demand and is even a question, but I would argue that even barring that, it's far more of a problem.
    - natep 15y ago
      Of course that's offensive. But you're still doing what knightenvy was not, and going beyond "I don't understand." It's perfectly fine to say you don't understand something. But from there, you should try to gain an understanding, and your quote (like the 2 previous definitions of "lighten up") don't do that. And yours adds victim blaming, which antiterra's doesn't really.
      - einhverfr 15y ago
        But the point is that both of these are really ways of just shutting down conversation, right? "Lighten up" isn't a demand. It's just a way of cutting off the conversation through a retort.
        natep 15y ago
        Yes, that too. Man, it's almost as if 'lighten up' is a complex phrase with many different aspects of meaning :) I like the way you do think through all of these different meanings, though

xymostech 15y ago

I think it's even more than that. It's not "It's so important to me" it's "this shouldn't be important to you, because it doesn't seem important to me."

antiterra 15y ago
Well, our pronouns refer to two different things, but, yes. It's two sides of the same coin.

knightenvy 15y ago

I disagree. Lighten up means "I don't understand why that is bothering you because it wouldn't bother me." It is a lack of communication issue. In that article, many of the "lighten up's" are assumed based on past experiences. For example, she did not even address the guy for fear of interrupting the meeting.

natep 15y ago
That can't be what "lighten up" means because "lighten up" is a command, and your definition is not.
- einhverfr 15y ago
  Woudl it be less offensive if instead of saying "lighten up" they said "it's no big deal. Why are you always so up tight anyway?" Certainly the latter is not a demand and is even a question, but I would argue that even barring that, it's far more of a problem.
  - natep 15y ago
    Of course that's offensive. But you're still doing what knightenvy was not, and going beyond "I don't understand." It's perfectly fine to say you don't understand something. But from there, you should try to gain an understanding, and your quote (like the 2 previous definitions of "lighten up") don't do that. And yours adds victim blaming, which antiterra's doesn't really.
    - einhverfr 15y ago
      But the point is that both of these are really ways of just shutting down conversation, right? "Lighten up" isn't a demand. It's just a way of cutting off the conversation through a retort.
      - natep 15y ago
        Yes, that too. Man, it's almost as if 'lighten up' is a complex phrase with many different aspects of meaning :) I like the way you do think through all of these different meanings, though