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DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again

DMT only lasts 10-15 minutes, and will be so overpowering, glorious, and delightful, that one can only compare it to losing one's virginity, or being born again. Mushrooms and LSD are way too longer/overrated and I fear those who haven't further explored the latent chemical/consciousness space misrepresent the dimension that, quite frankly, BETTER chemicals have to offer. Dont do shrooms, 4acoDMT is far superior. Dont do acid( edit: alone for the first time), at least not without taking a xanax (edit: read: or being in a well-intended state of mind) first. DMT will sidestep all that. iykyk, yk?

Euphorbium 3y ago
Mushrooms are incredibly varied, and I feel you just have not experienced good/strong mushrooms. I had trips which were indistinguishable from dmt.
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  I have, which is why I recommend beginners to NOT start with anything above a microdose of shrooms. If you think tripping at near-DMT levels for that duration is something a noobie should experience, please do not trip sit or further give shamanic/healer advice. Shrooms, especially alone, is the worst thing a beginner could start with, exactly because the potency between stems right next to each other vary wildy. 15mg of volumetrically dosed 4acoDMT with a -zolam is perfect, with no stomach pains because there is no metabolizing needed, it is a direct prodrug of psilocybin. Little body load, less mental, more visual. It's a shame that, what, 6+ generations of synthetic awesomeness are suppressed because people think "shrooms" are more "organic and natural"
  - jurynulifcation 3y ago
    I do agree with the principle of minimalism. Great idea. Big fan of that idea. People should start low and ow. But holy shit. Please please please stop recommend benzodiazepines so casually.
    - Jerrrry 3y ago
      >Please please please stop recommend benzodiazepines so casually. benzo's and -olam's are a horrible drug that should not be taken except in the most extreme of circumstances - I compare it directly with electro shock therapy. But these contexts are exceptional. Never redose benzo's or any -zolam's, it will control you at a cellular level, that opioids couldn't even begin to.
jurynulifcation 3y ago
Please don't recommend people take Xanax recreationally. Benzodiazepines are fraught with danger. It is not something to take lightly. Your experiences are not universalizable. I appreciate your insight, and I'm glad you've found substances you enjoy. But please refrain from engaging in drug exceptionalism. The first and foremost consideration of engaging in a substance ought to be harm reduction. This is not one of those "iykyk, yk" situations, in my humble opinion. Also, fun aside: DMT may have interesting anabolic effects. I quite enjoy vaping DMT while working out. It helps me engage my muscles and mind more fully, and safely, in bodyweight non-ballistic exercises. I hope you have a wonderful day, fellow seeker.
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  >Please don't recommend people take Xanax recreationally. There is no way you could of inferred that from my post in good faith. Do not ever, EVER, give hallucogenic/psychoactive drug, to a new-comer, without having a benzo or nerve pill on hand. Benzo's, when given appropriately, are the only way - chemically - to help absolve the uneasiness pre- and post- dosing. Given set and mood are the most paramount factors, it IS recommended that those trying substances (esp. tryptamines) are in a well mind set when initiating. Nobody is suggesting taking more than a threshold dose of benzo's for recreation. That is a near antithesis of the point of these miracle blessings we take for granted. Although I do appreciate the concern, yes, you SHOULD have a chemical emergency exit, especially when initiating those on their maiden voyage to the other side of the consciousness spectrum.
  - Synaesthesia 3y ago
    Or just take LSD and don't smoke weed - that's what generally causes psychic freakouts, in my experience, and I've done it over 100 times, no benzos ever.
    - Jerrrry 3y ago
      Yes, since it hadn't been mentioned elsewhere: cannabis can trigger an EXTREME early onset of CEV (Closed Eye visuals) when coming up on LSD. Like: massive bong rip "Damn, those neighbors dogs should stop barking. Or maybe I could muzzle them. That doesnt make any sense. They aren't my dogs. hmmm. Maybe I should lay on this lawnchair and look at the stars. Holy fuck...." Limbs trembling from nervousness, intense CEV's, only relinquishing when I somehow managed to sleep 10 minutes later - or stopped forming memories before going to bed. If you do not smoke weed errday 420 blazeit, I would NOT suggest smoking when on L until you've already familiarized yourself with it's uncomfortable aroma of uneasiness.
deepnotderp 3y ago
4-aco-Dmt and shrooms are both pro drugs of psilocin so they’re functionally the same molecule DMT can be life changing to many people, me being one of them, but it’s also extremely powerful, scary, and not always a positively life changing experience EDIT: I misinterpreted what you meant by the 4-aco-Dmt comment. I actually agree that it’s better than actual mushrooms, especially for beginners 2C-B is another less overwhelming option for beginners
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  >4-aco-Dmt and shrooms are both pro drugs of psilocin so they’re functionally the same molecule except 4acoDMT doesn't have to react with your stomach acids, causing other second order effects, which have been attributed to the stomach ache, puking, and body load. >2C-B is another less overwhelming option for beginners Yes, sad to see it was one of the first things banned. Far, far more dangerous phenethylamine (25x-NBo(Me|H|T) analogs on the spectrum between it and Mescaline are filling the void, killing people due to vasoconstriction, and because the threshold dose, normal dose, and fatal dose, are only a relatively and absolutely small difference.
_a_a_a_ 3y ago
I don't like this post. As a user of drugs when I can get hold of them (and strongly inclined to their legalisation), describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. Descriptions like this are bad advertising at best and at worst dangerously irresponsible. I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anything based on your personal experience alone, especially when it relates to serious legal aspects of non-legal drugs. Finally, I don't like your recommendation of mixing drugs (Xanax and acid). For all I know that could lead to a serious interaction. I don't like this post at all.
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  >describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you, and it is literally so overpowering, it is not consciousnessly possible to retain one's ego mid trip (except when on stim+disso's :) ) >I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anything based on your personal experience alone, especially when it relates to serious legal aspects of non-legal drugs. Mushrooms have a duration 50x as long as DMT, and it's not "my" personal experience, it is the collective advice of those that tread these waters before us, as many will agree. >Finally, I don't like your recommendation of mixing drugs (Xanax and acid). For all I know that could lead to a serious interaction. > For all I know >I know you obviously dont. Call dispatch and ask what is the procedure for someone tripping on lysergamides - or google it. A threshold, therapeutic, medically-incentivized safe dose of .5mg of any -zolam will categorically improve one's mood when administered in a safe and relaxing setting - which is the most paramount contributing factor to a positive experience with these substances. unless the setting is further provoked - many people get angry on -zolams, - in which case, the point is moot; you shouldn't be trying to probe the elves on "bad day" anyhow. No one is gonna rage-hit DMT and do anything, but rage-eating "organic natural mushrooms" is how idiots jump out of windows.
  - _a_a_a_ 3y ago
    > It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you (my emphasis). You irresponsible idiot. That's equivalent to saying it's harmless – no drug is, all have risks both mental and physical[1] (mental perhaps being the main one here, but the almost instant 'lights out' of DMT can cause physical injury). [1] and legal.
Kiboneu 3y ago
Don't take xanax before the trip; and if you are really so inclined, just have the proper dosage ready nearby. The trick is /knowing/ that you can stop it. But treat it as a last resort. If you let go, the fear will melt away on its own. If it does, you'll find a level of peace and clarity. If it doesn't, even a bad trip can teach you something, if you step outside your mind and observe it like a scientist of yourself. This is part of gaining experience. This is part of the point of taking a psychedelic in the first place. If you chemically alter the fear away, you will never learn this. Start with a small dose, in a peaceful setting, with someone you trust who has done it before, do not re-dose during your first trip. Take shrooms or acid if you want to. They are serious drugs but akin to a lucid dream, if you believe in the adverse effects then they will hold more weight on your psyche. In this sense OP's comments are doing a massive disservice. Go to erowid and study up from there, instead of taking OP's obviously projected advice. (Also, in another comment, OP writes that it is impossible to OD on benzos alone, which is false. Judge the quality of the information for yourself.)
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  You say so much truth just too stumble over semantics, it really is hard to assume good faith when you literally misquote me. >if you believe in the adverse effects then they will hold more weight on your psyche. In this sense OP's comments are doing a massive disservice. Having a bad DMT trip will leave you with higher cortisol levels, and a little shaken, exactly, EXACTLY, like waking up from an uncomfortable dream. Having a bad LSD or mushroom trip is a magnitude more likely to be adverse in both the short and long term. >it is impossible to OD on benzos alone, which is false. >It's nearly impossible to kill yourself with it (benzos) alone >nearly.... alone >alone Please read the guidelines about bad-faith posting. Overdosing on Alprazolam without potentiating other medications is EXTREMELY uncommon. Look at the stats. Speaking of stats... >Go to erowid and study up from there, instead of taking OP's obviously projected advice. And after you've read it, all the anecdotal evidence will heavily lean towards my OBVIOUS concise assessment; but, this is HN. Scrape the reports, run it thru your favorite LLVM sentiement holistic, make an objective word-map, then tell me, on average, that I am not accurate in my obviously condensed assessment. LSD has, almost universally, an uncomfortable come-up, and a "burning" cleansing feeling. Mushrooms, objectively, make your stomach hurt, have body load, and can a much larger variance in dosage due to the nature of its procurement. 4acoDMT is better, xan+LSD microdosing is safe, and DMT is, without a doubt, the safest, most intense, life-changing, one-shot attempt of a awakening, any mortal, experienced or not, will ever have the opportunity to exerience. The list of drugs that exist that I haven't witnessed first hand is smaller than those you could name. Ayahuasca, while we are this note, however, is NOT something middle-aged suburbanites should dip their toes in. That is the equivalent of a DMT trip with the length of heavy LSD trip. THAT is the media and common conceptions yall should whitenight about.
whimsicalism 3y ago
I would only recommend shrooms for the beginner. LSD is way too intense for the casual and DMT imo is scary even if it is short.
throwaway5948 3y ago
eh, this post is seriously misguided. the experience on DMT is relative; you might feel like you have been gone for days or months even if the clock tells you 15 min have gone by. furthermore, the power of DMT, with its sudden onset, can feel quite violent, literally like a drive-by shooting, or beamed up a la Star Trek. curious people, please look into the concept of "pharmakon"; the knowledge gained from drug usage often does not come without a reciprocal cost, and the sense of elevated consciousness can be fraught with illusion and the same old tricks of the ego. I have had many life changing experiences under the influence of drugs (one of the most powerful, under the influence of DMT), but in my opinion it extremely misguided to recommend it wholeheartedly to people without a very strong disclaimer regarding its adverse effects. When I used DMT properly, for the first and last time, I experienced temporary ego-death. Afterwards I re-lived "my trip" every single night for almost a year, having the same dream, over and over again. In my waking hours I would sometimes find myself fusing with my environment (real-time temporal loss of self) "at one with everything". Undergoing this process helped me "find myself", but the experience was dangerously close to full-blown psychosis - tl;dr drugs are a powerful and useful substance, be aware of the risks before taking, and do not recommend to others; DYOR and decide for yourself.
- Jerrrry 3y ago
  If you had a decent dose, then yes, for weeks/months after, you can close your eyes, think, and start to see shapes. It is not what D.A.R.E describe as LSD, being stored in your spinal fluid - more of a HPPD/PTSD artifact of the more benign variety.

Euphorbium 3y ago

Mushrooms are incredibly varied, and I feel you just have not experienced good/strong mushrooms. I had trips which were indistinguishable from dmt.

Jerrrry 3y ago
I have, which is why I recommend beginners to NOT start with anything above a microdose of shrooms. If you think tripping at near-DMT levels for that duration is something a noobie should experience, please do not trip sit or further give shamanic/healer advice. Shrooms, especially alone, is the worst thing a beginner could start with, exactly because the potency between stems right next to each other vary wildy. 15mg of volumetrically dosed 4acoDMT with a -zolam is perfect, with no stomach pains because there is no metabolizing needed, it is a direct prodrug of psilocybin. Little body load, less mental, more visual. It's a shame that, what, 6+ generations of synthetic awesomeness are suppressed because people think "shrooms" are more "organic and natural"
- jurynulifcation 3y ago
  I do agree with the principle of minimalism. Great idea. Big fan of that idea. People should start low and ow. But holy shit. Please please please stop recommend benzodiazepines so casually.
  - Jerrrry 3y ago
    >Please please please stop recommend benzodiazepines so casually. benzo's and -olam's are a horrible drug that should not be taken except in the most extreme of circumstances - I compare it directly with electro shock therapy. But these contexts are exceptional. Never redose benzo's or any -zolam's, it will control you at a cellular level, that opioids couldn't even begin to.

jurynulifcation 3y ago

Please don't recommend people take Xanax recreationally. Benzodiazepines are fraught with danger. It is not something to take lightly. Your experiences are not universalizable. I appreciate your insight, and I'm glad you've found substances you enjoy. But please refrain from engaging in drug exceptionalism. The first and foremost consideration of engaging in a substance ought to be harm reduction. This is not one of those "iykyk, yk" situations, in my humble opinion. Also, fun aside: DMT may have interesting anabolic effects. I quite enjoy vaping DMT while working out. It helps me engage my muscles and mind more fully, and safely, in bodyweight non-ballistic exercises. I hope you have a wonderful day, fellow seeker.

Jerrrry 3y ago
>Please don't recommend people take Xanax recreationally. There is no way you could of inferred that from my post in good faith. Do not ever, EVER, give hallucogenic/psychoactive drug, to a new-comer, without having a benzo or nerve pill on hand. Benzo's, when given appropriately, are the only way - chemically - to help absolve the uneasiness pre- and post- dosing. Given set and mood are the most paramount factors, it IS recommended that those trying substances (esp. tryptamines) are in a well mind set when initiating. Nobody is suggesting taking more than a threshold dose of benzo's for recreation. That is a near antithesis of the point of these miracle blessings we take for granted. Although I do appreciate the concern, yes, you SHOULD have a chemical emergency exit, especially when initiating those on their maiden voyage to the other side of the consciousness spectrum.
- Synaesthesia 3y ago
  Or just take LSD and don't smoke weed - that's what generally causes psychic freakouts, in my experience, and I've done it over 100 times, no benzos ever.
  - Jerrrry 3y ago
    Yes, since it hadn't been mentioned elsewhere: cannabis can trigger an EXTREME early onset of CEV (Closed Eye visuals) when coming up on LSD. Like: massive bong rip "Damn, those neighbors dogs should stop barking. Or maybe I could muzzle them. That doesnt make any sense. They aren't my dogs. hmmm. Maybe I should lay on this lawnchair and look at the stars. Holy fuck...." Limbs trembling from nervousness, intense CEV's, only relinquishing when I somehow managed to sleep 10 minutes later - or stopped forming memories before going to bed. If you do not smoke weed errday 420 blazeit, I would NOT suggest smoking when on L until you've already familiarized yourself with it's uncomfortable aroma of uneasiness.

deepnotderp 3y ago

4-aco-Dmt and shrooms are both pro drugs of psilocin so they’re functionally the same molecule DMT can be life changing to many people, me being one of them, but it’s also extremely powerful, scary, and not always a positively life changing experience EDIT: I misinterpreted what you meant by the 4-aco-Dmt comment. I actually agree that it’s better than actual mushrooms, especially for beginners 2C-B is another less overwhelming option for beginners

Jerrrry 3y ago
>4-aco-Dmt and shrooms are both pro drugs of psilocin so they’re functionally the same molecule except 4acoDMT doesn't have to react with your stomach acids, causing other second order effects, which have been attributed to the stomach ache, puking, and body load. >2C-B is another less overwhelming option for beginners Yes, sad to see it was one of the first things banned. Far, far more dangerous phenethylamine (25x-NBo(Me|H|T) analogs on the spectrum between it and Mescaline are filling the void, killing people due to vasoconstriction, and because the threshold dose, normal dose, and fatal dose, are only a relatively and absolutely small difference.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago

I don't like this post. As a user of drugs when I can get hold of them (and strongly inclined to their legalisation), describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. Descriptions like this are bad advertising at best and at worst dangerously irresponsible. I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anything based on your personal experience alone, especially when it relates to serious legal aspects of non-legal drugs. Finally, I don't like your recommendation of mixing drugs (Xanax and acid). For all I know that could lead to a serious interaction. I don't like this post at all.

Jerrrry 3y ago
>describing something as "overpowering, glorious, and delightful" dangerously misrepresent each person's own experience. It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you, and it is literally so overpowering, it is not consciousnessly possible to retain one's ego mid trip (except when on stim+disso's :) ) >I also don't like your personal recommendation of DMT over mushrooms. You're not in a position to recommend anything based on your personal experience alone, especially when it relates to serious legal aspects of non-legal drugs. Mushrooms have a duration 50x as long as DMT, and it's not "my" personal experience, it is the collective advice of those that tread these waters before us, as many will agree. >Finally, I don't like your recommendation of mixing drugs (Xanax and acid). For all I know that could lead to a serious interaction. > For all I know >I know you obviously dont. Call dispatch and ask what is the procedure for someone tripping on lysergamides - or google it. A threshold, therapeutic, medically-incentivized safe dose of .5mg of any -zolam will categorically improve one's mood when administered in a safe and relaxing setting - which is the most paramount contributing factor to a positive experience with these substances. unless the setting is further provoked - many people get angry on -zolams, - in which case, the point is moot; you shouldn't be trying to probe the elves on "bad day" anyhow. No one is gonna rage-hit DMT and do anything, but rage-eating "organic natural mushrooms" is how idiots jump out of windows.
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago
  > It's nnDMT, not 5meoDMT. She will not hurt you (my emphasis). You irresponsible idiot. That's equivalent to saying it's harmless – no drug is, all have risks both mental and physical[1] (mental perhaps being the main one here, but the almost instant 'lights out' of DMT can cause physical injury). [1] and legal.

Kiboneu 3y ago

Don't take xanax before the trip; and if you are really so inclined, just have the proper dosage ready nearby. The trick is /knowing/ that you can stop it. But treat it as a last resort. If you let go, the fear will melt away on its own. If it does, you'll find a level of peace and clarity. If it doesn't, even a bad trip can teach you something, if you step outside your mind and observe it like a scientist of yourself. This is part of gaining experience. This is part of the point of taking a psychedelic in the first place. If you chemically alter the fear away, you will never learn this. Start with a small dose, in a peaceful setting, with someone you trust who has done it before, do not re-dose during your first trip. Take shrooms or acid if you want to. They are serious drugs but akin to a lucid dream, if you believe in the adverse effects then they will hold more weight on your psyche. In this sense OP's comments are doing a massive disservice. Go to erowid and study up from there, instead of taking OP's obviously projected advice. (Also, in another comment, OP writes that it is impossible to OD on benzos alone, which is false. Judge the quality of the information for yourself.)

Jerrrry 3y ago
You say so much truth just too stumble over semantics, it really is hard to assume good faith when you literally misquote me. >if you believe in the adverse effects then they will hold more weight on your psyche. In this sense OP's comments are doing a massive disservice. Having a bad DMT trip will leave you with higher cortisol levels, and a little shaken, exactly, EXACTLY, like waking up from an uncomfortable dream. Having a bad LSD or mushroom trip is a magnitude more likely to be adverse in both the short and long term. >it is impossible to OD on benzos alone, which is false. >It's nearly impossible to kill yourself with it (benzos) alone >nearly.... alone >alone Please read the guidelines about bad-faith posting. Overdosing on Alprazolam without potentiating other medications is EXTREMELY uncommon. Look at the stats. Speaking of stats... >Go to erowid and study up from there, instead of taking OP's obviously projected advice. And after you've read it, all the anecdotal evidence will heavily lean towards my OBVIOUS concise assessment; but, this is HN. Scrape the reports, run it thru your favorite LLVM sentiement holistic, make an objective word-map, then tell me, on average, that I am not accurate in my obviously condensed assessment. LSD has, almost universally, an uncomfortable come-up, and a "burning" cleansing feeling. Mushrooms, objectively, make your stomach hurt, have body load, and can a much larger variance in dosage due to the nature of its procurement. 4acoDMT is better, xan+LSD microdosing is safe, and DMT is, without a doubt, the safest, most intense, life-changing, one-shot attempt of a awakening, any mortal, experienced or not, will ever have the opportunity to exerience. The list of drugs that exist that I haven't witnessed first hand is smaller than those you could name. Ayahuasca, while we are this note, however, is NOT something middle-aged suburbanites should dip their toes in. That is the equivalent of a DMT trip with the length of heavy LSD trip. THAT is the media and common conceptions yall should whitenight about.

whimsicalism 3y ago

I would only recommend shrooms for the beginner. LSD is way too intense for the casual and DMT imo is scary even if it is short.

throwaway5948 3y ago

eh, this post is seriously misguided. the experience on DMT is relative; you might feel like you have been gone for days or months even if the clock tells you 15 min have gone by. furthermore, the power of DMT, with its sudden onset, can feel quite violent, literally like a drive-by shooting, or beamed up a la Star Trek. curious people, please look into the concept of "pharmakon"; the knowledge gained from drug usage often does not come without a reciprocal cost, and the sense of elevated consciousness can be fraught with illusion and the same old tricks of the ego. I have had many life changing experiences under the influence of drugs (one of the most powerful, under the influence of DMT), but in my opinion it extremely misguided to recommend it wholeheartedly to people without a very strong disclaimer regarding its adverse effects. When I used DMT properly, for the first and last time, I experienced temporary ego-death. Afterwards I re-lived "my trip" every single night for almost a year, having the same dream, over and over again. In my waking hours I would sometimes find myself fusing with my environment (real-time temporal loss of self) "at one with everything". Undergoing this process helped me "find myself", but the experience was dangerously close to full-blown psychosis - tl;dr drugs are a powerful and useful substance, be aware of the risks before taking, and do not recommend to others; DYOR and decide for yourself.

Jerrrry 3y ago
If you had a decent dose, then yes, for weeks/months after, you can close your eyes, think, and start to see shapes. It is not what D.A.R.E describe as LSD, being stored in your spinal fluid - more of a HPPD/PTSD artifact of the more benign variety.