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Title says after not because...

zootboy 3y ago
That feels like trying to get by on a technicality. The casual reader would reasonably interpret "after" to imply some causation the way this headline is written.
- halfcat 3y ago
  Yes. Financial articles do the same with “as”. “Tech stocks down as trade talks stall with China” They’re rarely related. Two things happened, and they put “as” between them.
YuukiRey 3y ago
I’m not a linguist but this use of after seems to at least imply a link. Strictly speaking it’s only the temporal relation of two facts but I’d reckon that a lot of people will read this after in the sense of because.
- samtho 3y ago
  Most journalism tip-toes around this line by declining to assert direct cause. They use terms like “after” instead of “because” as it specifically does not imply a link, only the order in which two events (possibly related) occurred. Others you might see, “experts say” and “possible link”. I’m not commenting on the ethical implications of this usage, only the specific mechanisms they use to avoid assigning cause in the event that they end up wrong.
- pests 3y ago
  I agree. The intent is the link them together. "Man dies after brushing teeth in morning." <- Might be true, but completely useless and irrelevant.
  - coding123 3y ago
    Isn't there a link between the taxi and the ambulance person?
- Rapzid 3y ago
  Yeah when was this, Augh 14th? > 160k People Die in USA After Cruise Robotaxi...
  - hereforthecake2 3y ago
    Someone died. Stop and think about that for a bit and tone down the stupid "but logic!" BS. Recognize that we don't know exactly what happened and it's worth digging into. This is a great time to practice empathy instead of stroking your ego.
fuelfive 3y ago
By this logic, the title would be equally correct if they wrote "Jimmy Buffet Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance"
- robswc 3y ago
  Exactly. Everyone knows exactly why it was worded like that and I don't understand why anyone would even pretend to play dumb.
  - beardedwizard 3y ago
    This. The article is a hit piece. The more you know the more you see media bias. Pamela Price is another media favorite in the Bay Area.
- coding123 3y ago
  Was Jimmy Buffet anywhere near this taxi? Was this person in SF anywhere near this taxi?
vidanay 3y ago
"Man dies after being shot in the head." The causation/correlation is strong in that type of sentence.

That feels like trying to get by on a technicality. The casual reader would reasonably interpret "after" to imply some causation the way this headline is written.

halfcat 3y ago
Yes. Financial articles do the same with “as”. “Tech stocks down as trade talks stall with China” They’re rarely related. Two things happened, and they put “as” between them.

YuukiRey 3y ago

I’m not a linguist but this use of after seems to at least imply a link. Strictly speaking it’s only the temporal relation of two facts but I’d reckon that a lot of people will read this after in the sense of because.

samtho 3y ago
Most journalism tip-toes around this line by declining to assert direct cause. They use terms like “after” instead of “because” as it specifically does not imply a link, only the order in which two events (possibly related) occurred. Others you might see, “experts say” and “possible link”. I’m not commenting on the ethical implications of this usage, only the specific mechanisms they use to avoid assigning cause in the event that they end up wrong.
pests 3y ago
I agree. The intent is the link them together. "Man dies after brushing teeth in morning." <- Might be true, but completely useless and irrelevant.
- coding123 3y ago
  Isn't there a link between the taxi and the ambulance person?
Rapzid 3y ago
Yeah when was this, Augh 14th? > 160k People Die in USA After Cruise Robotaxi...
- hereforthecake2 3y ago
  Someone died. Stop and think about that for a bit and tone down the stupid "but logic!" BS. Recognize that we don't know exactly what happened and it's worth digging into. This is a great time to practice empathy instead of stroking your ego.

fuelfive 3y ago

By this logic, the title would be equally correct if they wrote "Jimmy Buffet Dies After Cruise Robotaxi Blocked Ambulance"

robswc 3y ago
Exactly. Everyone knows exactly why it was worded like that and I don't understand why anyone would even pretend to play dumb.
- beardedwizard 3y ago
  This. The article is a hit piece. The more you know the more you see media bias. Pamela Price is another media favorite in the Bay Area.
coding123 3y ago
Was Jimmy Buffet anywhere near this taxi? Was this person in SF anywhere near this taxi?

vidanay 3y ago

"Man dies after being shot in the head." The causation/correlation is strong in that type of sentence.