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This sounds like the usual covert anti-drugs post that comes up every time, with sloppy claims and a total absence of facts. > or that you simply over-indulge

This sounds like the usual covert anti-drugs post that comes up every time, with sloppy claims and a total absence of facts. > or that you simply over-indulge in them duh. What isn't dangerous if you're stupid. > They're not something you do for a giddy high Weasel words 'giddy'. And I do use them precisely for a high. > One thing people need to do is integrate the various lessons they've gained from tripping into their daily lives. what does this mean and how do i do it? (serious question) > All too often, trips are like dreams, they fade and we suffer amnesia after trying them who is 'we' here, the entire user-base? And I've never heard of this effect, ever.

fidrelity 3y ago
'Assume good faith' is part of the HN guidelines. Not OP, but as someone who had his first trip a couple of months ago, I can relate to a couple of points you're calling out. Regarding integration: I have had appointments with a therapist specialised on integrating peak experiences and for me what worked was to have someone to discuss and extract meaning and insights from the trip and find 'hooks' how to make them part of daily life. Regarding the amnesia, I can also relate. I still remember the insights, the lessons, the characters and the meaning of my trip. But it gets harder and harder to connect to the feelings of the trip, which in turn make the insights less 'sticky'.
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago
  Hi, thanks. I try to assume good faith but when the same kind of posts keep appearing, opinionated, fact free and making dubious claims which they won't back up when asked, I start to doubt. Someone elsewhere on this thread described integration. For myself when I've experienced it it's a kind of deep sea-change in my mind, no therapy or reflection required. Something changes, snap, and I'm a newer person. Thanks about the amnesia, no experience of this nor ever heard of it but I'm glad someone could verify it.
tasty_freeze 3y ago
"Integration" is a very common term so it should be easy to read a better description that I'm about to give. My take on it is that integration is the process of reflecting on one's experience and figuring out what it means for your real life. For instance, say someone is burdened with thoughts of self-hatred due to growing up with critical and non-supportive parents. Although they can intellectually entertain the thought that the self-hatred is due to this, under the influence of psychedelics, they might viscerally feel the truth of it. When sober again, integration means taking that insight and working on changing your mindset to align with that new belief. There are plenty of examples of the flip side too, eg, someone with a string of bad relationships might, under the influence, really see that they themselves are the main cause of the failures. But an insight isn't enough. Integration is making changes in sober life to change things in the positive direction. Or maybe your life is going great, you take psychedelics, and you have a hard trip that is filled with morbid thoughts about sickness and death. It can be interpreted as an indication that those thoughts are present but subconscious even in sober life, and maybe it is worth investigating more via conventional means.
- _a_a_a_ 3y ago
  Actually some of that rings a bell, so thank you for explaining. I believe what I've experienced is that but it's not so much an insight that needs analysing so much as having the obviousness of it thrust in your face. In my case, no analysis needed, but I am of course speaking only for myself.

fidrelity 3y ago

'Assume good faith' is part of the HN guidelines. Not OP, but as someone who had his first trip a couple of months ago, I can relate to a couple of points you're calling out. Regarding integration: I have had appointments with a therapist specialised on integrating peak experiences and for me what worked was to have someone to discuss and extract meaning and insights from the trip and find 'hooks' how to make them part of daily life. Regarding the amnesia, I can also relate. I still remember the insights, the lessons, the characters and the meaning of my trip. But it gets harder and harder to connect to the feelings of the trip, which in turn make the insights less 'sticky'.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago
Hi, thanks. I try to assume good faith but when the same kind of posts keep appearing, opinionated, fact free and making dubious claims which they won't back up when asked, I start to doubt. Someone elsewhere on this thread described integration. For myself when I've experienced it it's a kind of deep sea-change in my mind, no therapy or reflection required. Something changes, snap, and I'm a newer person. Thanks about the amnesia, no experience of this nor ever heard of it but I'm glad someone could verify it.

tasty_freeze 3y ago

"Integration" is a very common term so it should be easy to read a better description that I'm about to give. My take on it is that integration is the process of reflecting on one's experience and figuring out what it means for your real life. For instance, say someone is burdened with thoughts of self-hatred due to growing up with critical and non-supportive parents. Although they can intellectually entertain the thought that the self-hatred is due to this, under the influence of psychedelics, they might viscerally feel the truth of it. When sober again, integration means taking that insight and working on changing your mindset to align with that new belief. There are plenty of examples of the flip side too, eg, someone with a string of bad relationships might, under the influence, really see that they themselves are the main cause of the failures. But an insight isn't enough. Integration is making changes in sober life to change things in the positive direction. Or maybe your life is going great, you take psychedelics, and you have a hard trip that is filled with morbid thoughts about sickness and death. It can be interpreted as an indication that those thoughts are present but subconscious even in sober life, and maybe it is worth investigating more via conventional means.

_a_a_a_ 3y ago
Actually some of that rings a bell, so thank you for explaining. I believe what I've experienced is that but it's not so much an insight that needs analysing so much as having the obviousness of it thrust in your face. In my case, no analysis needed, but I am of course speaking only for myself.