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Perhaps, but it’s still wild to me how many people approach these topics with complete apathy and surrender, as if the AI takeover is inevitable and therefore w

Perhaps, but it’s still wild to me how many people approach these topics with complete apathy and surrender, as if the AI takeover is inevitable and therefore we shouldn’t try to fight it. Regardless of how you see the future playing out, it’s pretty gross to characterize a people’s fight for their livelihood as “dumb”. Maybe it’s dumb to you, but they’ve given their lives to their work so we can enjoy the content they have a hand in making. Imagine the day that your skills are completely replaceable with AI and your attempts to fight it are met with “that’s dumb.” What an impersonal and apathetic attitude to have.

yieldcrv 3y ago
so your main problem is that they were able to reach a conclusion fast? is there an empathic approach that also accepts reality?
- komali2 3y ago
  We could start talking about what we should do in general when the value of human labor has dropped to pennies across multiple industries. Or we could talk about how we could leverage this new technology to the benefit of the voice actors, by reducing their working hours, improving their working conditions, and giving them a large cut of the new profits the new technology unlocks. Buuuut those conversations under this system have been DOA since the luddites. It seems profits and benefits for workers must be extracted at the gunpoint of government regulation and unionization. I agree that it'd be great if that wasn't necessary.
  - LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
    > It seems profits and benefits for workers must be extracted at the gunpoint of government regulation and unionization. I agree that it'd be great if that wasn't necessary. Yep. Those of us who’ve lived in the west have never seen massive worker uprisings, although they’re present throughout history. A society that becomes so unequal that it can’t provide opportunity for its people faces a reckoning. What’s so damning about this is that the ultra wealthy know this and are planning for it.
  - yieldcrv 3y ago
    > how we could leverage this new technology to the benefit of the voice actors, by reducing everyone discussion has someone that’s always like "it'll only assist existing people of that profession" and here I am training on voices I have the rights to (by simply asking, and with a release form), adding it to media including games with no prior experience, either in some wav output, or rendering dynamically pretty quickly (not quick enough but its coming) I just don't see the basic economics that support the person with the voice for getting paid for that work at any analog to today's arrangements, and definitely not more. 4 year olds are going to be able to do what I'm doing. the supply will completely outstrip the demand. I can see studios with prior obligations being committed to giving some kind of royalty, but the history doesn't suggest that those studios will be the one that taps into the market. All of Hollywood exists because it routed around entrenched interests in New York City by going to the other side of the continent and ignoring the contracts, unions and industry cartels. What exactly suggests the same thing won't happen again? That's what I'm missing here. Where is the discussion that puts the feelings aside and doesn't act like they're ignoring that just for the sake of not feeling like they're surrendering. If I successfully offered something to the market and scaled it up, which I don't have ambitions to do but open to, but if I did and then it fulfills the entertainment register in people's minds and all of this stuff with SAG-AFTRA is moot. If it was procedurally generated trash, the same people that say "I just leave this on in the background" or "its a guilty pleasure" are going to be the same consumers. I just don't see the other outcome, the market is going to get filled with this stuff, and human only content is going to be a novelty for enthusiasts.
philistine 3y ago
> Perhaps, but it’s still wild to me how many people approach these topics with complete apathy and surrender, as if the AI takeover is inevitable and therefore we shouldn’t try to fight it. Hey, we do need *a lot* of people for the piles of skulls the Terminators crush with their metal feet in our inevitable future.
jncfhnb 3y ago
The dumb part is their argument. Imagine factory workers being replaced by replica androids, and the workers are upset because the androids are using their individual “likeness” rather than that the androids are taking their jobs. They are fighting the wrong fight. The vast majority of actors represented here do not lose anything more than the factory workers under the particular thing they’re fighting against.

yieldcrv 3y ago

so your main problem is that they were able to reach a conclusion fast? is there an empathic approach that also accepts reality?

komali2 3y ago
We could start talking about what we should do in general when the value of human labor has dropped to pennies across multiple industries. Or we could talk about how we could leverage this new technology to the benefit of the voice actors, by reducing their working hours, improving their working conditions, and giving them a large cut of the new profits the new technology unlocks. Buuuut those conversations under this system have been DOA since the luddites. It seems profits and benefits for workers must be extracted at the gunpoint of government regulation and unionization. I agree that it'd be great if that wasn't necessary.
- LapsangGuzzler 3y ago
  > It seems profits and benefits for workers must be extracted at the gunpoint of government regulation and unionization. I agree that it'd be great if that wasn't necessary. Yep. Those of us who’ve lived in the west have never seen massive worker uprisings, although they’re present throughout history. A society that becomes so unequal that it can’t provide opportunity for its people faces a reckoning. What’s so damning about this is that the ultra wealthy know this and are planning for it.
- yieldcrv 3y ago
  > how we could leverage this new technology to the benefit of the voice actors, by reducing everyone discussion has someone that’s always like "it'll only assist existing people of that profession" and here I am training on voices I have the rights to (by simply asking, and with a release form), adding it to media including games with no prior experience, either in some wav output, or rendering dynamically pretty quickly (not quick enough but its coming) I just don't see the basic economics that support the person with the voice for getting paid for that work at any analog to today's arrangements, and definitely not more. 4 year olds are going to be able to do what I'm doing. the supply will completely outstrip the demand. I can see studios with prior obligations being committed to giving some kind of royalty, but the history doesn't suggest that those studios will be the one that taps into the market. All of Hollywood exists because it routed around entrenched interests in New York City by going to the other side of the continent and ignoring the contracts, unions and industry cartels. What exactly suggests the same thing won't happen again? That's what I'm missing here. Where is the discussion that puts the feelings aside and doesn't act like they're ignoring that just for the sake of not feeling like they're surrendering. If I successfully offered something to the market and scaled it up, which I don't have ambitions to do but open to, but if I did and then it fulfills the entertainment register in people's minds and all of this stuff with SAG-AFTRA is moot. If it was procedurally generated trash, the same people that say "I just leave this on in the background" or "its a guilty pleasure" are going to be the same consumers. I just don't see the other outcome, the market is going to get filled with this stuff, and human only content is going to be a novelty for enthusiasts.

philistine 3y ago

> Perhaps, but it’s still wild to me how many people approach these topics with complete apathy and surrender, as if the AI takeover is inevitable and therefore we shouldn’t try to fight it. Hey, we do need *a lot* of people for the piles of skulls the Terminators crush with their metal feet in our inevitable future.

jncfhnb 3y ago

The dumb part is their argument. Imagine factory workers being replaced by replica androids, and the workers are upset because the androids are using their individual “likeness” rather than that the androids are taking their jobs. They are fighting the wrong fight. The vast majority of actors represented here do not lose anything more than the factory workers under the particular thing they’re fighting against.