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Do they cover datura?

capableweb 3y ago
In my experience, Datura isn't something I'd use for healing, it's something I'd use to break down myself. The experience with that is unlike others, and not in a good way.
- c420 3y ago
  I'd liken it to the salvia experience.
  - jurynulifcation 3y ago
    I'd respectfully disagree. For the first part, datura is an anticholinergic neurotoxin, a deliriant. Salvia is a kappa-opioid dissociative, without any known toxicities. The important thing to keep in mind with salvia is minimalism. It has no tolerance to speak of, so nothing is lost by starting small, well smaller than you know will give noticeable effect. Then build up from there. (An effect of salvia overdose is 'automatic action', where your body moves on impulse without the intervention of your waking mind)
    - amts 3y ago
      Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. In a similar vein, if someone would ask a distinguished professor of neuroscience to provide a full description of the exact brain molecular state that "generates" an exact salvia experience (including any communicative content), s/he would fail.
      - capableweb 3y ago
        > Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. As someone who has done both, in similar settings, I'd still disagree with this. Datura was devilish like none other and probably one of the few psychedelics I'd never do again.
        amts 3y ago
        Datura being anticholinergic degrades the effect of acetylcholine, which is one of the components of (regular) attention. So no wonder it seems scary. But would you have the same experience after, for example, 10 days of continuous mindfulness/focusing meditation? Or after 30 days?
  - fullspectrumdev 3y ago
    Having used both, salvia is something I’ve gone back to multiple times and find value in. If you treat salvia with respect, it’s useful. Datura taught me a valuable lesson exactly once, about hubris.
neom 3y ago
Datura is a deliriant. I'm a strong advocate of psychedelics and have used almost everything, but Datura isn't something people should touch, it's very dangerous.
- amts 3y ago
  >>Datura is a deliriant. Such definition includes very little context. You should try more functional, mindful set&setting based approaches.
  - neom 3y ago
    Here is some context: https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Psychedelics%2C_dissociatives_and_deliriants.html https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Psychedelics%2C_diss... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant
    - amts 3y ago
      Cocaine is anesthetic in one context and stimulant in another. Meth can be sedative in specific contexts (according to dr. Andrew Weil). The classification above may be partially useful, but obviously not effective.
- VHRanger 3y ago
  Erowid stories of Datura are some of the more terrifying ones on the website. Example: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17700 https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17700
  - swores 3y ago
    I'm not familiar with the drug so I couldn't speak to how close or far away that story is from a typical Datura experience - which is perhaps the most interesting thing to know - but reading that whole post it really felt more like somebody practising creative writing than a genuine account. Of course it's possible the author just writes about a true story that way to try to be more fun to read, but there's just something about it that makes my spidey-sense suspect it's a piece of fiction. Does anyone else get the same feeling?
Nursie 3y ago
Read the repair trip reports for datura, brugmansia and belladonna. I’m fascinated by the breadth of different experiences offered by plant and chemical mind alteration, and encountered more things than most people have heard of. Reading those reports was enough to make me not want to seek out these deleriants in any way at all.
- braislen 3y ago
  I have read pretty much all the reports on Erowid on the three mentioned too and I don't remember a single one that sounded like a good experience. I think the problem is being poisoned by atropine. It is not like you can just relax and go with the flow while literally being poisoned. I believe the movie Hellraiser is inspired by datura too.
- Nursie 3y ago
  Repair == erowid You win again autocorrect…

In my experience, Datura isn't something I'd use for healing, it's something I'd use to break down myself. The experience with that is unlike others, and not in a good way.

c420 3y ago
I'd liken it to the salvia experience.
- jurynulifcation 3y ago
  I'd respectfully disagree. For the first part, datura is an anticholinergic neurotoxin, a deliriant. Salvia is a kappa-opioid dissociative, without any known toxicities. The important thing to keep in mind with salvia is minimalism. It has no tolerance to speak of, so nothing is lost by starting small, well smaller than you know will give noticeable effect. Then build up from there. (An effect of salvia overdose is 'automatic action', where your body moves on impulse without the intervention of your waking mind)
  - amts 3y ago
    Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. In a similar vein, if someone would ask a distinguished professor of neuroscience to provide a full description of the exact brain molecular state that "generates" an exact salvia experience (including any communicative content), s/he would fail.
    - capableweb 3y ago
      > Though toxicity seems the main difference, comment above is talking about experience and not molecular mechanisms of action. As someone who has done both, in similar settings, I'd still disagree with this. Datura was devilish like none other and probably one of the few psychedelics I'd never do again.
      - amts 3y ago
        Datura being anticholinergic degrades the effect of acetylcholine, which is one of the components of (regular) attention. So no wonder it seems scary. But would you have the same experience after, for example, 10 days of continuous mindfulness/focusing meditation? Or after 30 days?
- fullspectrumdev 3y ago
  Having used both, salvia is something I’ve gone back to multiple times and find value in. If you treat salvia with respect, it’s useful. Datura taught me a valuable lesson exactly once, about hubris.

neom 3y ago

Datura is a deliriant. I'm a strong advocate of psychedelics and have used almost everything, but Datura isn't something people should touch, it's very dangerous.

amts 3y ago
>>Datura is a deliriant. Such definition includes very little context. You should try more functional, mindful set&setting based approaches.
- neom 3y ago
  Here is some context: https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Psychedelics%2C_dissociatives_and_deliriants.html https://www.bionity.com/en/encyclopedia/Psychedelics%2C_diss... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deliriant
  - amts 3y ago
    Cocaine is anesthetic in one context and stimulant in another. Meth can be sedative in specific contexts (according to dr. Andrew Weil). The classification above may be partially useful, but obviously not effective.
VHRanger 3y ago
Erowid stories of Datura are some of the more terrifying ones on the website. Example: https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17700 https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=17700
- swores 3y ago
  I'm not familiar with the drug so I couldn't speak to how close or far away that story is from a typical Datura experience - which is perhaps the most interesting thing to know - but reading that whole post it really felt more like somebody practising creative writing than a genuine account. Of course it's possible the author just writes about a true story that way to try to be more fun to read, but there's just something about it that makes my spidey-sense suspect it's a piece of fiction. Does anyone else get the same feeling?

Nursie 3y ago

Read the repair trip reports for datura, brugmansia and belladonna. I’m fascinated by the breadth of different experiences offered by plant and chemical mind alteration, and encountered more things than most people have heard of. Reading those reports was enough to make me not want to seek out these deleriants in any way at all.

braislen 3y ago
I have read pretty much all the reports on Erowid on the three mentioned too and I don't remember a single one that sounded like a good experience. I think the problem is being poisoned by atropine. It is not like you can just relax and go with the flow while literally being poisoned. I believe the movie Hellraiser is inspired by datura too.
Nursie 3y ago
Repair == erowid You win again autocorrect…