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> men don't have a clue as to how group dynamics work Do you think that those thousands upon thousands of (male) political leaders who climbed to the very tops
by spindritf 15y ago
> men don't have a clue as to how group dynamics work
Do you think that those thousands upon thousands of (male) political leaders who climbed to the very tops of their social hierarchies -- from Crassus to Clinton, over thousands of years -- got there by pure luck without understanding how group dynamics work? How to make and break alliances? How to inform on their competitors?
Open competitiveness and overt dominance won out in our culture because they worked, not because alternatives were unavailable to men. Those traits allow to create stable organizations which went on and conquered the world, often literally. There's nothing stopping men from mastering intrigue, it's just very destructive, much more so than competitiveness and dominance, even fistfights will damage the group less than constant shifting and mind games.
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- DieBuche 15y agoI think there was another guy, first name Bill I think.
- mtrimpe 15y agoI'm not just talking about intrigue; I'm trying to describe a different model of the world which operates on a different kind of duality. In that model intrigue is indeed the punishment, but care and support is the reward. This might be constrained to just my experience in the gay community and my extrapolation to the female population might be incorrect. All I know is that I eventually became strongly aware of a delicate and ever changing network of social ties every non-straight-male I knew was participating in and acutely aware of. And yes, it's probably a very essential component of the skillset political leaders need to master to rise to the top. I'd argue however that it only becomes a necessity to master at the top, whereas for most queers I know it's present regardless of political ambitions.