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One factor this ignores is that there already exist tens of billions of general-purpose computing devices capable of running arbitrary code. They aren't going t

One factor this ignores is that there already exist tens of billions of general-purpose computing devices capable of running arbitrary code. They aren't going to magically disappear. They've already been made and they can't be unmade. Given enough nuisance, people would just stop upgrading. We've already seen this with Windows itself — I know people who are still, in 2023, using Windows 7 daily for the simple reason of hating everything that came after it.

layer8 3y ago
Mozilla has ended support for Firefox on Windows 7 (and 8). In a couple of years, less and less websites will work on that last-supported Firefox version. Other cloud-related software like Dropbox will also remove support sooner or later. The more difficult it gets to use online services and the web on Windows 7, the more people will switch. It will end up in a small hobbyist niche like people who run Haiku or Serenity.
- grishka 3y ago
  Unlike between XP and Vista, there isn't that much win32 API difference between Windows 7 and later versions. I'm sure in due time people will come up with DLLs to shim the few missing functions.
no_time 3y ago
The requirement of a TPM in w11 will make companies throw millions PCs into shredders in 2025 with the EOL of w10. Of course there will be enough PCs to go around for practically forever, but the march of time is not going in a direction that you and me will probably like.
- grishka 3y ago
  That TPM requirement is artificial and is easily bypassed though. But then big corporations would probably not do that for the fear of angering Microsoft. It just makes me angry that Microsoft seems to have no clue what they're doing now. They seem to put their own agenda above all else. They base their system requirements on their misguided vision, not on the actual technical requirements of their software. And ReactOS is still unfortunately as far from being usable as it's ever been.
Jenda_ 3y ago
I'm not afraid of not having the hardware for running my Linux desktop, doing my developer work, reading Wikipedia and HN. But imagine banks ("security"), chat apps ("spam"), youtube and maybe even common websites (to enforce no adblockers) requiring a remotely attested smartphone and WEI.

layer8 3y ago

Mozilla has ended support for Firefox on Windows 7 (and 8). In a couple of years, less and less websites will work on that last-supported Firefox version. Other cloud-related software like Dropbox will also remove support sooner or later. The more difficult it gets to use online services and the web on Windows 7, the more people will switch. It will end up in a small hobbyist niche like people who run Haiku or Serenity.

grishka 3y ago
Unlike between XP and Vista, there isn't that much win32 API difference between Windows 7 and later versions. I'm sure in due time people will come up with DLLs to shim the few missing functions.

no_time 3y ago

The requirement of a TPM in w11 will make companies throw millions PCs into shredders in 2025 with the EOL of w10. Of course there will be enough PCs to go around for practically forever, but the march of time is not going in a direction that you and me will probably like.

grishka 3y ago
That TPM requirement is artificial and is easily bypassed though. But then big corporations would probably not do that for the fear of angering Microsoft. It just makes me angry that Microsoft seems to have no clue what they're doing now. They seem to put their own agenda above all else. They base their system requirements on their misguided vision, not on the actual technical requirements of their software. And ReactOS is still unfortunately as far from being usable as it's ever been.

Jenda_ 3y ago

I'm not afraid of not having the hardware for running my Linux desktop, doing my developer work, reading Wikipedia and HN. But imagine banks ("security"), chat apps ("spam"), youtube and maybe even common websites (to enforce no adblockers) requiring a remotely attested smartphone and WEI.