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> Do you think there's a conflict between sexism and fun? As in, "Well, I'd like to stop making sexist jokes, but then it would be so boring here." I would phr

by crusso 15y ago

> Do you think there's a conflict between sexism and fun? As in, "Well, I'd like to stop making sexist jokes, but then it would be so boring here." I would phrase it, "If everyone's humor had to be bland Disney G-rated fare, then a lot of fun would have been sucked out of our work environment."

jamesaguilar 15y ago
There's plenty of R-rated humor that's not degrading to women.
pingswept 15y ago
I think you should revise your perception of what is being gained by sexist humor. It seems that you get some good laughs out of it-- no problem for you. For the people on the other side of the joke, it's not fun. From what Katie Cunningham writes, it's so unbearable that she's on the verge of leaving the profession she loves. With that understanding of the situation, sexist jokes lose their humor, at least for me.
- crusso 15y ago
  >I think you should revise your perception of what is being gained by sexist humor. It seems that you get some good laughs out of it-- no problem for you. Where did I defend sexist humor? I think that Katie Cunningham is putting up with some nonsense and she should take direct action. My question to Katie was just regarding the line between humor and offense and how she drew a distinction? She apparently didn't get offended and answered me quite frankly. There's really no need for you to jump in and mischaracterize my position. Lots of white knights in this thread that she doesn't really seem to need to take care of her.
  - pingswept 15y ago
    I agree that there's no need for mischaracterization, but there is a need for people to jump in and say what they think. I'll try to explain why I thought you were defending sexist humor. This is the line that made me think you were defending sexist humor: "I would be sad if my relationship with my coworkers couldn't handle, let alone thrive upon, humorous interactions." Maybe you meant non-sexist humor that erroneously came across as sexist?
strix_varius 15y ago
Agreed.
sophacles 15y ago
There is a lot of humor to be had that is both appropriate and not G-rated. Humorous personal stories about awkward situations or odd situations, jokes about things that happened to people on the team (like the time susan brought the server down, or bob's ridiculous obsession with 80s pop), movie references, sexual innuendo (thats what s/he said is usually not sexist), political jokes, topical news jokes, and on and on. I'm so sure you are going to come back with some "blah blah politically correct blah blah" disingenuity, I will adress it now: No, it's not all about PC and rules and whatnot, it's about genuine respect. Making comments and jokes centered on a person which aren't about that person, but about their membership in a class is generally not cool. It's called othering (and sometimes objectification). Othering is exclusionary, and a good joke for the target (but sometimes a good joke to the in-crowd, it solidifies their superiority!). Basically most jokes are OK, if they don't hinge on "and that's why that group is inferior and different from us".

by crusso 15y ago

jamesaguilar 15y ago

There's plenty of R-rated humor that's not degrading to women.

pingswept 15y ago

I think you should revise your perception of what is being gained by sexist humor. It seems that you get some good laughs out of it-- no problem for you. For the people on the other side of the joke, it's not fun. From what Katie Cunningham writes, it's so unbearable that she's on the verge of leaving the profession she loves. With that understanding of the situation, sexist jokes lose their humor, at least for me.

crusso 15y ago
>I think you should revise your perception of what is being gained by sexist humor. It seems that you get some good laughs out of it-- no problem for you. Where did I defend sexist humor? I think that Katie Cunningham is putting up with some nonsense and she should take direct action. My question to Katie was just regarding the line between humor and offense and how she drew a distinction? She apparently didn't get offended and answered me quite frankly. There's really no need for you to jump in and mischaracterize my position. Lots of white knights in this thread that she doesn't really seem to need to take care of her.
- pingswept 15y ago
  I agree that there's no need for mischaracterization, but there is a need for people to jump in and say what they think. I'll try to explain why I thought you were defending sexist humor. This is the line that made me think you were defending sexist humor: "I would be sad if my relationship with my coworkers couldn't handle, let alone thrive upon, humorous interactions." Maybe you meant non-sexist humor that erroneously came across as sexist?

strix_varius 15y ago

Agreed.

sophacles 15y ago

There is a lot of humor to be had that is both appropriate and not G-rated. Humorous personal stories about awkward situations or odd situations, jokes about things that happened to people on the team (like the time susan brought the server down, or bob's ridiculous obsession with 80s pop), movie references, sexual innuendo (thats what s/he said is usually not sexist), political jokes, topical news jokes, and on and on. I'm so sure you are going to come back with some "blah blah politically correct blah blah" disingenuity, I will adress it now: No, it's not all about PC and rules and whatnot, it's about genuine respect. Making comments and jokes centered on a person which aren't about that person, but about their membership in a class is generally not cool. It's called othering (and sometimes objectification). Othering is exclusionary, and a good joke for the target (but sometimes a good joke to the in-crowd, it solidifies their superiority!). Basically most jokes are OK, if they don't hinge on "and that's why that group is inferior and different from us".