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Is there a reason for so many tiling Wayland compositors? Are they simply easier to do? X11 always had a plethora of window managers, but really few of them whe

Is there a reason for so many tiling Wayland compositors? Are they simply easier to do? X11 always had a plethora of window managers, but really few of them where tiling. With Wayland tiling seems to outnumber stacked.

jwells89 3y ago
Yeah not to detract from the linked project (it’s one of the more interesting of its type) but the rarity of floating Wayland WMs is odd. With X there’s tons of options for building a minimal traditional floating window desktop, but that has yet to become true for Wayland.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > With X there’s tons of options for building a minimal traditional floating window desktop, but that has yet to become true for Wayland. X window managers are a lot simpler than Wayland compositors, even including helper libraries, so I expect this to remain true.
- jeroenhd 3y ago
  > the rarity of floating Wayland WMs is odd I imagine most Linux users will be on either KDE or GNOME+Mutter. People who don't use that are likely to be into low-spec desktop environments (XFCE and such) or niche solutions (i3 and friends). There are niche stack window managers (labwc/Liri shell/Wayfire) but they don't have quite the cult following tiling WMs do.
pkulak 3y ago
Gnome and KDE have kinda nailed it, don’t you think? I mean, what are you going to bring to the table by writing a stacking window manager? There are infinite ways to tile windows; one way to stack them.
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  > There are infinite ways to tile windows; one way to stack them. That's not really true, though; AFAIK KDE/GNOME don't implement tabbed windows or the ability to stick them together.
  - nulld3v 3y ago
    KDE did implement tabbed windows IIRC but it was removed for KDE5 due to lack of maintenance. I think they are trying to bring them back.
orbital-decay 3y ago
> X11 always had a plethora of window managers, but really few of them where tiling. There's a lot more small and obscure tiling WMs than stacking ones for X11 as well.
Cloudef 3y ago
Tiling became popular and there was growth in X11 tiling window managers, afterwards people started writing them for wayland. Tiling wms have become important aspect of productivity for some people.

jwells89 3y ago

Yeah not to detract from the linked project (it’s one of the more interesting of its type) but the rarity of floating Wayland WMs is odd. With X there’s tons of options for building a minimal traditional floating window desktop, but that has yet to become true for Wayland.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> With X there’s tons of options for building a minimal traditional floating window desktop, but that has yet to become true for Wayland. X window managers are a lot simpler than Wayland compositors, even including helper libraries, so I expect this to remain true.
jeroenhd 3y ago
> the rarity of floating Wayland WMs is odd I imagine most Linux users will be on either KDE or GNOME+Mutter. People who don't use that are likely to be into low-spec desktop environments (XFCE and such) or niche solutions (i3 and friends). There are niche stack window managers (labwc/Liri shell/Wayfire) but they don't have quite the cult following tiling WMs do.

pkulak 3y ago

Gnome and KDE have kinda nailed it, don’t you think? I mean, what are you going to bring to the table by writing a stacking window manager? There are infinite ways to tile windows; one way to stack them.

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> There are infinite ways to tile windows; one way to stack them. That's not really true, though; AFAIK KDE/GNOME don't implement tabbed windows or the ability to stick them together.
- nulld3v 3y ago
  KDE did implement tabbed windows IIRC but it was removed for KDE5 due to lack of maintenance. I think they are trying to bring them back.

orbital-decay 3y ago

> X11 always had a plethora of window managers, but really few of them where tiling. There's a lot more small and obscure tiling WMs than stacking ones for X11 as well.

Cloudef 3y ago

Tiling became popular and there was growth in X11 tiling window managers, afterwards people started writing them for wayland. Tiling wms have become important aspect of productivity for some people.