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> Assisting Ukraine was a surefire way to start a conflict with Russia. Putin warned an invasion would be the result of NATO expansion. The US ignored the warni

by _kbh_ 3y ago

> Assisting Ukraine was a surefire way to start a conflict with Russia. Putin warned an invasion would be the result of NATO expansion. The US ignored the warning and shutdown diplomacy with Russia. This left Russia with no alternative but military force. Interesting comment because NATO never accepted Ukraine as a member or even gave them a MAP, hell even Germany promised Putin before he invaded that Ukraine would never be in NATO, that didn’t do anything. The quickly deleted Russian victory article also doesn’t mention NATO at all either. I think it’s far more likely that this has more to do with Russias and more bluntly Putins want to recreate the USSR and imperialism. I mean the Russian victory article does talk about how Ukraines independence was a mistake and how they have corrected that “mistake”.

tastyfreeze 3y ago
A NATO country (US) gave money and weapons to a country that NATO agreed to not allow into NATO. To the country on the otherwise of that agreement (Russia) that sure looks like the start of expansion. Then the US doubled down. From 2014 to 2022, the United States has committed more than $46 billion in security assistance “to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO,”, according to the State Department.[1] The US signed a treaty saying it wouldn't add Ukraine to NATO. Then supports UKraine with the stated goal of "interoperability" with NATO. The US did all but sign a treaty making it official. After Russia invaded in 2022 the US told Ukraine to not negotiate peace. Every step of the way the choice has been made towards conflict instead of a diplomatic solution. I don't know how you can look at the course of events and come to any other conclusion other than the US wants a proxy war with Russia. No choice by the US has been towards peace. [1] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040
- _kbh_ 3y ago
  > A NATO country (US) gave money and weapons to a country that NATO agreed to not allow into NATO. To the country on the otherwise of that agreement (Russia) that sure looks like the start of expansion. Your source appears to indicate this started after Russia invaded in 2014. So unless Russians can see into the future I don’t see how that can be the cause. > The US signed a treaty saying it wouldn't add Ukraine to NATO. Then supports UKraine with the stated goal of "interoperability" with NATO. The US did all but sign a treaty making it official. I’ve never seen such a treaty can you link it?. > After Russia invaded in 2022 the US told Ukraine to not negotiate peace. Every step of the way the choice has been made towards conflict instead of a diplomatic solution. I don't know how you can look at the course of events and come to any other conclusion other than the US wants a proxy war with Russia. No choice by the US has been towards peace. I don’t think this is what happened, what I think happened is that when Ukraine recaptured territories (Bucha being the best example) and saw the absolute horrors that the Russians had left behind, they decided there would be no negotiating. I can understand that, I wouldn’t want to negotiate with someone who had committed such heinous crimes against my people either.

by _kbh_ 3y ago

tastyfreeze 3y ago

A NATO country (US) gave money and weapons to a country that NATO agreed to not allow into NATO. To the country on the otherwise of that agreement (Russia) that sure looks like the start of expansion. Then the US doubled down. From 2014 to 2022, the United States has committed more than $46 billion in security assistance “to help Ukraine preserve its territorial integrity, secure its borders, and improve interoperability with NATO,”, according to the State Department.[1] The US signed a treaty saying it wouldn't add Ukraine to NATO. Then supports UKraine with the stated goal of "interoperability" with NATO. The US did all but sign a treaty making it official. After Russia invaded in 2022 the US told Ukraine to not negotiate peace. Every step of the way the choice has been made towards conflict instead of a diplomatic solution. I don't know how you can look at the course of events and come to any other conclusion other than the US wants a proxy war with Russia. No choice by the US has been towards peace. [1] https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040 https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040

_kbh_ 3y ago
> A NATO country (US) gave money and weapons to a country that NATO agreed to not allow into NATO. To the country on the otherwise of that agreement (Russia) that sure looks like the start of expansion. Your source appears to indicate this started after Russia invaded in 2014. So unless Russians can see into the future I don’t see how that can be the cause. > The US signed a treaty saying it wouldn't add Ukraine to NATO. Then supports UKraine with the stated goal of "interoperability" with NATO. The US did all but sign a treaty making it official. I’ve never seen such a treaty can you link it?. > After Russia invaded in 2022 the US told Ukraine to not negotiate peace. Every step of the way the choice has been made towards conflict instead of a diplomatic solution. I don't know how you can look at the course of events and come to any other conclusion other than the US wants a proxy war with Russia. No choice by the US has been towards peace. I don’t think this is what happened, what I think happened is that when Ukraine recaptured territories (Bucha being the best example) and saw the absolute horrors that the Russians had left behind, they decided there would be no negotiating. I can understand that, I wouldn’t want to negotiate with someone who had committed such heinous crimes against my people either.