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AWS and Microsoft are very, very different from Discord. Discord originated in gaming and caters to a largely non-paid user base, that background alone is enoug

AWS and Microsoft are very, very different from Discord. Discord originated in gaming and caters to a largely non-paid user base, that background alone is enough to be skeptical. As terrible as AWS and Microsoft are as companies, at least they have an established reputation in B2B software. It’s an apples to apple-flavored candy comparison.

capableweb 3y ago
> AWS and Microsoft are very, very different from Discord. Discord originated in gaming and caters to a largely non-paid user base, that background alone is enough to be skeptical. AWS originated in providing servers for a book business that grew from there, Microsoft originated from writing a interpreter, but both of them excel in other areas today as well. It's not impossible to start with something (chat for gaming), gain expertise (chat for large groups) and then apply it elsewhere (chat in the workplace).
- ivanmontillam 3y ago
  > It's not impossible to start with something (chat for gaming), gain expertise (chat for large groups) and then apply it elsewhere (chat in the workplace). I understand what you meant, but it's not quite applicable in this case. Chat for gaming (and approach) is not an adjacent market of workplace/enterprise chat. Just imagine Slack or Microsoft Teams going for gaming chat; you can quite imagine that repurposing of product not happening.
  - capableweb 3y ago
    > Just imagine Slack or Microsoft Teams going for gaming chat; you can quite imagine that repurposing of product not happening. If that ended up being more popular, they definitely would. But I don't think that'd happen either.
- acdha 3y ago
  AWS and Microsoft were both much larger companies with many years of successful operations by the time they launched cloud services. Discord is both younger as a company and still recently raising new funding founds. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t rely on them but they’re definitely less proven.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    Of course, which is why Discord charges much less then the several hundred dollars per year per seat that Microsoft does? What is the complaint here, that they're offering a much cheaper service with less credibility?
    - ivanmontillam 3y ago
      The complaint here is that Discord is too popular among a generation of young business owners that put their livelihoods on the line in such an unreliable service, business-wise. Discord's marketing is too powerful for these business owners to consider safer, more reliable alternatives. Same story with Stripe, and similar services that cut lifelines with no recourse other than outcry in public forums like HN and Reddit. If they have to learn the hard way, so be it.
      - posguy 3y ago
        If your planning to use services that are ban happy like Discord, Stripe and ilk, make sure to document and communicate a fallback plan. For example, ensure you have a backup email address for those you communicate with on Discord, and convey an alternate communication method (Meet us on Matrix at XYZ!), or on the payments side plan on how to handle a PAN Data Export with a pre-selected vendor that is experienced in ensuring Stripe exports this data to them. From what I have heard, nearly half of all data exports from Stripe fail to occur, so you need to be your own advocate to ensure the stable hosting of your payment card data.
        ivanmontillam 3y ago

capableweb 3y ago

> AWS and Microsoft are very, very different from Discord. Discord originated in gaming and caters to a largely non-paid user base, that background alone is enough to be skeptical. AWS originated in providing servers for a book business that grew from there, Microsoft originated from writing a interpreter, but both of them excel in other areas today as well. It's not impossible to start with something (chat for gaming), gain expertise (chat for large groups) and then apply it elsewhere (chat in the workplace).

ivanmontillam 3y ago
> It's not impossible to start with something (chat for gaming), gain expertise (chat for large groups) and then apply it elsewhere (chat in the workplace). I understand what you meant, but it's not quite applicable in this case. Chat for gaming (and approach) is not an adjacent market of workplace/enterprise chat. Just imagine Slack or Microsoft Teams going for gaming chat; you can quite imagine that repurposing of product not happening.
- capableweb 3y ago
  > Just imagine Slack or Microsoft Teams going for gaming chat; you can quite imagine that repurposing of product not happening. If that ended up being more popular, they definitely would. But I don't think that'd happen either.
acdha 3y ago
AWS and Microsoft were both much larger companies with many years of successful operations by the time they launched cloud services. Discord is both younger as a company and still recently raising new funding founds. That doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t rely on them but they’re definitely less proven.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Of course, which is why Discord charges much less then the several hundred dollars per year per seat that Microsoft does? What is the complaint here, that they're offering a much cheaper service with less credibility?
  - ivanmontillam 3y ago
    The complaint here is that Discord is too popular among a generation of young business owners that put their livelihoods on the line in such an unreliable service, business-wise. Discord's marketing is too powerful for these business owners to consider safer, more reliable alternatives. Same story with Stripe, and similar services that cut lifelines with no recourse other than outcry in public forums like HN and Reddit. If they have to learn the hard way, so be it.
    - posguy 3y ago
      If your planning to use services that are ban happy like Discord, Stripe and ilk, make sure to document and communicate a fallback plan. For example, ensure you have a backup email address for those you communicate with on Discord, and convey an alternate communication method (Meet us on Matrix at XYZ!), or on the payments side plan on how to handle a PAN Data Export with a pre-selected vendor that is experienced in ensuring Stripe exports this data to them. From what I have heard, nearly half of all data exports from Stripe fail to occur, so you need to be your own advocate to ensure the stable hosting of your payment card data.
      - ivanmontillam 3y ago