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> Grass fed beef consumed locally/regionally reduces fertilizer use and transportation costs > Deforestation is only a problem if you have a corrupt governmen
by myshpa 3y ago
> Grass fed beef consumed locally/regionally reduces fertilizer use and transportation costs
> Deforestation is only a problem if you have a corrupt government that doesn't manage its land
While governance plays a role in deforestation, these pastures are often already deforested areas. Producing beef there still demands a significant amount of agricultural land for a minor share of our caloric intake. Reforesting could offer greater benefits like carbon storage and biodiversity restoration.
> People will naturally eat less meat at a higher price point. Currently the externalities of industrial meat production aren't priced into the cost of factory meat, which is why it's artificially cheap
Exactly, and that's why I believe that subsidies for polluting and destructive sectors should be abolished, and these sectors should be appropriately taxed. Doing so could make the price of meat prohibitive for most, which aligns with your point about higher prices reducing consumption.
It's uncertain how many animals could be raised sustainably, and how many people would be able to afford meat from such sources. The number for both is likely low.
I also worry about biodiversity. If we've managed to reduce animal populations by 70% in the last 50 years, how long will it be until they collapse completely? Agriculture is the main culprit, with animal agriculture making up 80% of it.
https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-70-of-animal-populations-wiped-out-since-1970-report-reveals-aoe https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/oct/13/almost-7...
- CuriouslyC 3y agoIt's not hard to re-integrate trees into pasture, agroforestry is a thing and it can provide cattle with shade, limit wind and water erosion, support wildlife diversity and provide an additional source of lumber. I'm glad we can at least come together on wanting the cost of industrial meat to be represented in its price. We could make meat "affordable" with only sustainable production, small local sustainable farmers can make a decent living if they cut out most of the middle men, going straight from the processor to local restaurants/butchers/direct sales. More people would need to be involved in agriculture to make it scale, and meat wouldn't be cheap like it is now, but it will have the upside of converting a lot of marginal land to beautiful mixed pasture and forests full of life.