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this definitely sounds like a headline from the same country that blew 2.3 trillion dollars on a 20 year war in afghanistan to replace the taliban with the tali

this definitely sounds like a headline from the same country that blew 2.3 trillion dollars on a 20 year war in afghanistan to replace the taliban with the taliban, and yet somehow their own citizens trapped at a festival are just going to have to conserve food and water until things get better because nothing can be done. Americans posting in the comments will do backflips to insist this is the best way things are supposed to work, things arent that bad, its about personal responsibility and helping is too expensive. as a reminder nevada has a national guard and The Chinook is a heavy-lift helicopter that is among the heaviest lifting Western helicopters. we have rescue airboats, amphibious LVTP and even airlift capabilities throughout the nevada desert at various military installations. theres absolutely no reason to "conserve food and water." casual reminder: tickets for this event are $750 including parking. the idea that help is not on the way (even if it isnt immediately necessary) is a little ridiculous to consider. the event has the potential to cause famine, disease, dehydration and death right now. NV has chosen to make no real effort regardless. no activation or regional planning, just thoughts and prayers.

idopmstuff 3y ago
> theres absolutely no reason to "conserve food and water." Seems like the reason is so folks can get through the next couple of days without involving the National Guard, which is costly. No one's dying; it's just muddy and unpleasant.
jowday 3y ago
Under the “principles of burning man” (which are largely not known or ignored by a sizable portion of of attendees in 2023), you should be prepared for this sort of event with enough extra food and water to wait it out. And I think a large fraction of the attendees are. If this was the camp I used to run with, the collective response to this would be to view it as an annoyance, but not life threatening - everyone was on top of their shit and had enough food, water, and shelter to last out something like this. And in fact, people would give you shit if you came around asking for help saying that you didn’t expect rain like this. You’re very explicitly told when buying a ticket that shit like this can happen and you should be prepared to deal with it yourself. Whether this turns into something requiring external help or evacuation depends on what portion of the attendees really are on top of their shit in 2023.
0xDEF 3y ago
Why should a nation state concern itself with helping some rich people at a festival who have been inconvenienced by a little rain and mud? They have 12 miles to the nearest town and 100 miles to the nearest big city. The festival literally has its own airport but it has been flooded. I suggest they call for helicopters. Many of them probably have their own.
uoaei 3y ago
1. Burning Man is in Nevada 2. Technically it's not even in Nevada, it's in the Pyramid Lake Paiute Indian Reservation 3. Kind of the entire point of Burning Man is that you are raising a city out of nothing and breaking it down again within the span of a couple weeks against all odds and in one of the least hospitable places on the planet. This is by design. As a participant you are given ample information and time to plan for such eventualities, they are not necessarily predictable but you definitely can and should be prepared for the worst out there. To be blunt, this is what they signed up for. It's a prepper-lite ("radical self-reliance" is one of the founding principles) kind of event. I say this as someone who really enjoyed my time there in past years -- everyone is welcome to attend if they feel up for it, but they are also expected to know what they're getting into and to carry their own weight if things get bad. Not that they will be left to die, as "civic responsibility" is another of the principles embodied by the population of Black Rock City for its duration. Protip for interested readers: anyone calling Burning Man a "festival" outs themselves as having absolutely no idea what they're talking about and are perpetuating the kinds of narratives that contribute to the flippant and commercialized miasma that has settled around the event over the past years.
- bhhaskin 3y ago
  It isn't on the Reservation. It is BLM land. Parts of the road (state route) out there are on the Reservation.
  - uoaei 3y ago
    That's right. I read somewhere it was held in trust by BLM for the tribe but researching again I can't tell if that specific area is part of the laws that were passed or if it just belongs to BLM outright.
- zerbinxx 3y ago
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  - DirkH 3y ago
    Those words have meanings. Look them up it you don't understand them. They're well used in this context to get the author's point across. I dunno if I agree with the author. I've never been to Burning Man, but their word usage certainly helps me - a casual onlooker - better understand their frustration.
serf 3y ago
>as a reminder california has a national guard and The Chinook is a heavy-lift helicopter that is among the heaviest lifting Western helicopters. we have rescue airboats, amphibious LVTP and even airlift capabilities throughout the california desert at various military installations. theres absolutely no reason to "conserve food and water." so, because taxpayers and revenue have paid for billions of dollars in toys the event-goers should not roll with the punches; 'go ahead and have a great time -- we have a Chinook en route!' Going to a concert/event/commune/experience isn't some mandatory thing; and the weather isn't somehow unexpected, although it is severe. This isn't the same situation as a typical emergency scene. The comparison to costs of Western war efforts drawn is ridiculous. Now, if legitimate personal emergencies emerge from the lack of travel access, sure. Roll the services out -- let's save lives; but rain and loss of travel access by itself doesn't constitute the same urgency.
dang 3y ago
"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

idopmstuff 3y ago

> theres absolutely no reason to "conserve food and water." Seems like the reason is so folks can get through the next couple of days without involving the National Guard, which is costly. No one's dying; it's just muddy and unpleasant.

jowday 3y ago

Under the “principles of burning man” (which are largely not known or ignored by a sizable portion of of attendees in 2023), you should be prepared for this sort of event with enough extra food and water to wait it out. And I think a large fraction of the attendees are. If this was the camp I used to run with, the collective response to this would be to view it as an annoyance, but not life threatening - everyone was on top of their shit and had enough food, water, and shelter to last out something like this. And in fact, people would give you shit if you came around asking for help saying that you didn’t expect rain like this. You’re very explicitly told when buying a ticket that shit like this can happen and you should be prepared to deal with it yourself. Whether this turns into something requiring external help or evacuation depends on what portion of the attendees really are on top of their shit in 2023.

0xDEF 3y ago

Why should a nation state concern itself with helping some rich people at a festival who have been inconvenienced by a little rain and mud? They have 12 miles to the nearest town and 100 miles to the nearest big city. The festival literally has its own airport but it has been flooded. I suggest they call for helicopters. Many of them probably have their own.

uoaei 3y ago

1. Burning Man is in Nevada 2. Technically it's not even in Nevada, it's in the Pyramid Lake Paiute Indian Reservation 3. Kind of the entire point of Burning Man is that you are raising a city out of nothing and breaking it down again within the span of a couple weeks against all odds and in one of the least hospitable places on the planet. This is by design. As a participant you are given ample information and time to plan for such eventualities, they are not necessarily predictable but you definitely can and should be prepared for the worst out there. To be blunt, this is what they signed up for. It's a prepper-lite ("radical self-reliance" is one of the founding principles) kind of event. I say this as someone who really enjoyed my time there in past years -- everyone is welcome to attend if they feel up for it, but they are also expected to know what they're getting into and to carry their own weight if things get bad. Not that they will be left to die, as "civic responsibility" is another of the principles embodied by the population of Black Rock City for its duration. Protip for interested readers: anyone calling Burning Man a "festival" outs themselves as having absolutely no idea what they're talking about and are perpetuating the kinds of narratives that contribute to the flippant and commercialized miasma that has settled around the event over the past years.

bhhaskin 3y ago
It isn't on the Reservation. It is BLM land. Parts of the road (state route) out there are on the Reservation.
- uoaei 3y ago
  That's right. I read somewhere it was held in trust by BLM for the tribe but researching again I can't tell if that specific area is part of the laws that were passed or if it just belongs to BLM outright.
zerbinxx 3y ago
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- DirkH 3y ago
  Those words have meanings. Look them up it you don't understand them. They're well used in this context to get the author's point across. I dunno if I agree with the author. I've never been to Burning Man, but their word usage certainly helps me - a casual onlooker - better understand their frustration.

serf 3y ago

>as a reminder california has a national guard and The Chinook is a heavy-lift helicopter that is among the heaviest lifting Western helicopters. we have rescue airboats, amphibious LVTP and even airlift capabilities throughout the california desert at various military installations. theres absolutely no reason to "conserve food and water." so, because taxpayers and revenue have paid for billions of dollars in toys the event-goers should not roll with the punches; 'go ahead and have a great time -- we have a Chinook en route!' Going to a concert/event/commune/experience isn't some mandatory thing; and the weather isn't somehow unexpected, although it is severe. This isn't the same situation as a typical emergency scene. The comparison to costs of Western war efforts drawn is ridiculous. Now, if legitimate personal emergencies emerge from the lack of travel access, sure. Roll the services out -- let's save lives; but rain and loss of travel access by itself doesn't constitute the same urgency.

dang 3y ago

"Eschew flamebait. Avoid generic tangents." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html