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What about people who buy the phone but don't want to participate in the contracts of adhesion that are the ToS of Apple or Google? Apple is making it harder a

by sneak 3y ago

What about people who buy the phone but don't want to participate in the contracts of adhesion that are the ToS of Apple or Google? Apple is making it harder and harder to use an Apple ID (required for the App Store) without using iCloud. iCloud is a privacy nightmare. We shouldn't have to give up our rights to privacy to participate in society.

l33t7332273 3y ago
Can you elaborate on iCloud’s privacy situation?
- sneak 3y ago
  Most of iCloud is, by default, not end to end encrypted. The e2ee is opt in and approximately nobody uses it. Apple can and does read most of the data in iCloud (due to it lacking e2ee by default) including all your iMessages, all your iMessage attachments/photos, all your iCloud photos, all your call logs, all your iCloud files, all your contacts, calendars, etc. iMessage's e2ee is effectively backdoored by all the iMessage sync keys being backed up in the non-e2ee iCloud Backup. Apple turns over user data (including all of the aforementioned) for 17,000+ user accounts to the US government without a search warrant under the FISA (aka PRISM) system. They turn over even more user data on top of that each year when provided with actual search warrants - the 17k users figure is just the ones without search warrants! They don't protect most of the data in iCloud from themselves, and Apple is forced to spy for their national government thanks to Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act (FAA702), which allows the US to read anything in iCloud without probable cause or a search warrant - point and click access.
jpttsn 3y ago
> We shouldn't have to give up our rights to privacy to participate in society. Betrays fundamental misunderstanding of both.
- hef19898 3y ago
  It is not society that wants you to give up privacy, it is a few rech giants, and all the small wannabes, that want you to. And they are basically able to, since those tech giants control all online aspects of modern society. Society so could step in via elected governments and stop this behaviour through laws. Not that I am holding my breath on this.
  - anigbrowl 3y ago
    When are you going to understand that many people go into government to get power over others, not out of generosity? I don't mean civil servants (although some of them do chase power at the upper levels) but politicians, many of whom are as psychopathic as any corporate raider.
    - hef19898 3y ago
      Nobody ever accused me of liking politians. The alternative to the various forms of democracy so is oligarchies, totalotarian rwgimes and even more rampant, exploitative capitalism than we see now. I know what I prefer.

by sneak 3y ago

l33t7332273 3y ago

Can you elaborate on iCloud’s privacy situation?

sneak 3y ago
Most of iCloud is, by default, not end to end encrypted. The e2ee is opt in and approximately nobody uses it. Apple can and does read most of the data in iCloud (due to it lacking e2ee by default) including all your iMessages, all your iMessage attachments/photos, all your iCloud photos, all your call logs, all your iCloud files, all your contacts, calendars, etc. iMessage's e2ee is effectively backdoored by all the iMessage sync keys being backed up in the non-e2ee iCloud Backup. Apple turns over user data (including all of the aforementioned) for 17,000+ user accounts to the US government without a search warrant under the FISA (aka PRISM) system. They turn over even more user data on top of that each year when provided with actual search warrants - the 17k users figure is just the ones without search warrants! They don't protect most of the data in iCloud from themselves, and Apple is forced to spy for their national government thanks to Section 702 of the FISA Amendments Act (FAA702), which allows the US to read anything in iCloud without probable cause or a search warrant - point and click access.

jpttsn 3y ago

> We shouldn't have to give up our rights to privacy to participate in society. Betrays fundamental misunderstanding of both.

hef19898 3y ago
It is not society that wants you to give up privacy, it is a few rech giants, and all the small wannabes, that want you to. And they are basically able to, since those tech giants control all online aspects of modern society. Society so could step in via elected governments and stop this behaviour through laws. Not that I am holding my breath on this.
- anigbrowl 3y ago
  When are you going to understand that many people go into government to get power over others, not out of generosity? I don't mean civil servants (although some of them do chase power at the upper levels) but politicians, many of whom are as psychopathic as any corporate raider.
  - hef19898 3y ago
    Nobody ever accused me of liking politians. The alternative to the various forms of democracy so is oligarchies, totalotarian rwgimes and even more rampant, exploitative capitalism than we see now. I know what I prefer.