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"Record low 2022 Antarctic sea ice led to catastrophic breeding failure of emperor penguins" "This is the first recorded incident of a widespread breeding fail
by bjourne 3y ago
"Record low 2022 Antarctic sea ice led to catastrophic breeding failure of emperor penguins"
"This is the first recorded incident of a widespread breeding failure of emperor penguins that is clearly linked with large-scale contractions in sea ice extent."
https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-00927-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s43247-023-00927-x
Published and peer-reviewed. But according to you it is clickbait?
- chengiz 3y agoYes? Title has no mention about specific regions. Abstract mentions specific regions. Even your comment is clickbait: you only include the title and a sentence that does not mention specific regions, despite you being aware of it, since you presumably read the abstract.
- tasogare 3y ago[dead]
- madmulita 3y agoLet's stop pretending "peer-reviewed" means anything, please.
- jmye 3y agoYes, a comment on a website that just says “no” is way more truthy and should be taken at face value. Anything published and peer reviewed can just be assumed to be false. Great call. Thanks for really bringing up the level of discourse.
- AlexandrB 3y agoMeans a lot more than a comment on Hacker News.
- catchnear4321 3y agoyour comment has been peer-reviewed. it was found to be subjective and unsupported.
- andrewprock 3y agoPeer review raises the bar, but that bar is quite low, and not high enough to ensure anything like scientific truth.
- throwaw12 3y agoI will leave it here: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/19/stanford-president-resign-research-fraud https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jul/19/stanford-pre... I guess someone "peer reviewed" all his papers
- appplication 3y agoThis is a bad faith and ignorant take. As with anything at the edge of our knowledge, it’s not bulletproof, but peer review certainly does mean plenty. It is one of the most rigorous standards we have for the validity of observation and theories.
- hirako2000 3y agoNature is not immune and has been leveraging clickbait articles as of not so late. A significant portion of peer reviewed papers are biased, poorly backed claims making junk. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1420798/
- misnome 3y agoThis article highlights some (known) deficiencies, but doesn't seem to remotely support your assertion of “significant portion” being junk. It also seems extremely likely that such things vary wildly by field, journal, etc. Which is to say that throwing the whole thing out in preference to a completely unsourced and anonymous comment on HN seems, frankly, idiotic.
- hirako2000 3y agoThey do vary wildly yes. Even within the same publication. Nature has historically proven to be one of the top journal. Not taking that away from them. But being published by nature and peer reviewed does not mean such article cannot use a clickbait title and/or be non scientific.
- jmye 3y agoSo you concede that saying a “significant portion” was an outright lie with no basis in reality?
- hirako2000 3y agoNo I wouldn't concede that. I took some precaution and made sure to not mention an estimate of what that portion represents. I think it fair to call it significant given it isn't breaking news. Blame me for not providing references proving it is based on some interpretation of reality not only I, have.
- bjourne 3y agoCan you explain which of the article's claims you believe are unsubstantiated?
- bradley13 3y agoThe thing is: all five colonies are close together, on the peninsula. So "widespread" is false, incorrect, a lie, pick your favorite term. So, yes, clickbait.
- junofan 3y agoArticle says there are 600–3000 penguins per colony. Charitably, let’s say the authors studied 15,000 penguins. Total penguin population estimate: 600,000. So this survey counted at most 2.5% of all penguins by reasonable estimates. “Not a single emperor penguin chick survived” seems unsupported.