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But I use the khlav kalash emoji all the time!
by zoky 3y ago
But I use the khlav kalash emoji all the time!
- WalterBright 3y agoDisplaying emoji is the job of the rendering engine, not the encoding.
- lifthrasiir 3y agoJapanese telcos disagreed. (Seriously. We have emojis in Unicode because of interoperabilities with them.)
- wkat4242 3y agoBut they are different in every font. Only what they represent is the same. Just like other Unicode characters.
- lifthrasiir 3y agoJapanese telcos eventually implemented a conversion server for emojis from other telcos (before emojis in Unicode were formally accepted). It was just a matter of time.
- WalterBright 3y agoWe're evolving from phonetic languages back to hieroglyphic ones, because somehow the Unicode committee imagines that 1,000,000 hieroglyphs with distinct meanings are better than 26 phonetic letters.
- lifthrasiir 3y agoThey hate them. So much that there have been multiple attempts to curb the future Emoji growth, including one based on WikiData QIDs by the president of the Unicode consortium [1]. Emojis persist because the current growth doesn't burden the consortium or vendors too much and no better solution was found. > 26 phonetic letters And I'm genuinely offended by this particular phrase. You can't even correctly spell my name in those 26 "phonetic" letters. (My preferred convention is a mere approximation.) [1] https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2019/19082r-qid-emoji.pdf https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2019/19082r-qid-emoji.pdf
- WalterBright 3y agoNo need to be offended. I've clearly advocated Unicode16, which surely encompasses your spelling. Unicode16 is an achievable and implementable goal. I welcomed it as a great advance. I do note that you use ASCII for your handle. Could that be because few will be able to figure out how to enter the code point for your name? If your handle includes code point 0x123456, how do you expect users to deal with it?
- lifthrasiir 3y agoI only use an ASCII handle because this forum is English only and I don't want to waste my time answering stupid questions. My Korean colleagues can type Korean handles just fine, thank you for the consideration. But still. I'm fortunate that my Korean name does fit in 2,350 common Hangul syllables, but there are people aren't (who are greatly disadvantaged). And way more Chinese and Japanese people have rare characters in their names. I even have a concrete data for them; the Japanese goverment defines the Koseki unified character set (戸籍統一文字) that complement common character sets and are intended to be used for family registers (戸籍). Therefore it should cover most person and location names ever used in Japan (and probably nothing else). There are 44,770 characters in this set, including 857 characters not yet encoded to Unicode [1]. So the reasonable character set supporting most Japanese proper names already require more than 50,000 distinct characters! Unicode16 was never ready for long tails. The Unicode committee only realized this after a massive number of character assignments, which is their only regretable mistake in my opinion. [1] Counts based on GlyphWiki's listing: https://en.glyphwiki.org/wiki/Group:%e6%88%b8%e7%b1%8d%e7%95%b0%e4%bd%93%e3%81%ae%e4%b8%80%e8%a6%a7-UCS https://en.glyphwiki.org/wiki/Group:%e6%88%b8%e7%b1%8d%e7%95...
- numpad0 3y agoMore like weaponized by making it a moat against “PC”, and so Google did its thing.
- lifthrasiir 3y agoThat's much later than the initial Emoji assignments, and pretty expectable given much broad reach of availability. The earliest UTC decision regarding Emoji is [1] AFAIK. [1] https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07225.htm#112-C12 https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07225.htm#112-C12 (links to https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07274-symbols.txt https://www.unicode.org/L2/L2007/07274-symbols.txt)
- numpad0 3y agoEmoji was always carrier dependent and Japanese carriers always had conversion/filtering at carrier e-mail MTA, years before 2007. I think you have in mind one of later coordinated attempts at it.
- lifthrasiir 3y agoOh, I assumed the other meaning of PC (not Personal Computer). You are right, Google and Apple had to deal with them because emails went through their pipelines.
- gumby 3y agoYes, but IMHO we could have frozen them (same as the ASCII control codes) and not made the problem worse by adding more. And I say this as an emoji user on my keitai back in the 90s.