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Greatest problem of space travel is that we wouldn't get the pleasure to experience the whole journey no matter our velocity. We try to come up with neat ideas

Greatest problem of space travel is that we wouldn't get the pleasure to experience the whole journey no matter our velocity. We try to come up with neat ideas, sadly this is not one we will achieve. We can send robots this way.

jncfhnb 3y ago
… because traveling through empty space is boring?
- Sparkyte 3y ago
  You'd die before you reached the destination. Interstellar travel just isn't feasible on a human life expectancy and more importantly loss of bone density.
  - jncfhnb 3y ago
    But also, it’s fundamentally boring
  - HelloImSteven 3y ago
    What's the problem with multi-generational travel?
    - cstejerean 3y ago
      The middle generations that are born and will die on a spaceship didn't sign up for that. And they might not accept their fate willingly. Relying on intermediary generations to comply seems like a big flaw in any multigenerational ship plan.
      - throwawaylinux 3y ago
        Nobody born has signed up for anything.
        ChatGTP 3y ago
        No but they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world. It would be pretty fucking depressing if you were born into a shitty spaceship and told your job is to pro-create so the next generation can experience something fun? The earth is a space ship, the best space ship we'll ever get, we just take it for granted. Some have also commented that we're like already as far out in space as we're ever going to get. There is probably a lot of truth to that.
        throwawaylinux 3y ago
        > No but they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world. It would be pretty fucking depressing if you were born into a shitty spaceship and told your job is to pro-create so the next generation can experience something fun? That's your assertion. Billions of people have been porn into abject poverty and disease and without hope for better, have learned (and in many ways seen and experienced) much less than these space travelers would. Unless we're going the forced sterilization and eugenics kind of route, I'm not sure how it's consistent to impose your own morals and standards onto others' procreation.
        ChatGTP 3y ago
        Billions of people have been porn into abject poverty and disease and without hope for better, have learned (and in many ways seen and experienced) much less than these space travelers would. I don't think this is relevant or a good counter argument, we could easily say that both scenarios are less than ideal? Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with? What's that going to look like being stuck in what is esentially a small shopping mall your whole life? I'm not sure how it's consistent to impose your own morals and standards onto others' procreation. Imposing morals? Trolling?
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        Status quo bias. > Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with? This can be true on a spaceship too.
    - plagiarist 3y ago
      We're already failing multi-generational travel on a giant rock full of food, water, oxygen, and free energy. Seems weird to assume we can do it in a tin can with fewer resources and zero forgiveness for error.
    - Sparkyte 3y ago
      Well I need to step in on this. It isn't like oh hey multi-generational... it is more complicated. People born without the effects of gravity will not develop the same. No form of alternative medicine will fix that. Traveling through space means that piece of society needs to be consistent with maintenance and non stop. Humans are disorganized and function independently. Small groups function together. Humans are messy and keeping that space clean will be nearly impossible. You would need a way to grow food and handle waste. Not even the best submarines have figured this out. Even with the ISS we have to send food up and take trash back. We are not net zero enough to even make such a project possible.
      - jncfhnb 3y ago
        ISS can just jettison trash.
        Sparkyte 3y ago
        Okay so where do you get the material to make more trash that would last a few hundred years it would take several generations and hopefully noone experience health problems to achieve this goal.
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        I’m not disagreeing about the feasibility of space travel with current tech. I’m just pointing out that you seem to have just made up this idea that we shuttle trash from the ISS back to Earth and that’s wrong.
  - whatshisface 3y ago
    Good thing I brought my bone density pills and my life expectancy extension pills... and a lot of computer games.
- Terr_ 3y ago
  Depends on the size of the conveyance: I've been traveling through empty space for decades, and I've barely explored the ship.

jncfhnb 3y ago

… because traveling through empty space is boring?

Sparkyte 3y ago
You'd die before you reached the destination. Interstellar travel just isn't feasible on a human life expectancy and more importantly loss of bone density.
- jncfhnb 3y ago
  But also, it’s fundamentally boring
- HelloImSteven 3y ago
  What's the problem with multi-generational travel?
  - cstejerean 3y ago
    The middle generations that are born and will die on a spaceship didn't sign up for that. And they might not accept their fate willingly. Relying on intermediary generations to comply seems like a big flaw in any multigenerational ship plan.
    - throwawaylinux 3y ago
      Nobody born has signed up for anything.
      - ChatGTP 3y ago
        No but they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world. It would be pretty fucking depressing if you were born into a shitty spaceship and told your job is to pro-create so the next generation can experience something fun? The earth is a space ship, the best space ship we'll ever get, we just take it for granted. Some have also commented that we're like already as far out in space as we're ever going to get. There is probably a lot of truth to that.
        throwawaylinux 3y ago
        > No but they should have access to basic things such as to be able to experience the natural world. It would be pretty fucking depressing if you were born into a shitty spaceship and told your job is to pro-create so the next generation can experience something fun? That's your assertion. Billions of people have been porn into abject poverty and disease and without hope for better, have learned (and in many ways seen and experienced) much less than these space travelers would. Unless we're going the forced sterilization and eugenics kind of route, I'm not sure how it's consistent to impose your own morals and standards onto others' procreation.
        ChatGTP 3y ago
        Billions of people have been porn into abject poverty and disease and without hope for better, have learned (and in many ways seen and experienced) much less than these space travelers would. I don't think this is relevant or a good counter argument, we could easily say that both scenarios are less than ideal? Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with? What's that going to look like being stuck in what is esentially a small shopping mall your whole life? I'm not sure how it's consistent to impose your own morals and standards onto others' procreation. Imposing morals? Trolling?
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        Status quo bias. > Being born into poverty at least means you might have options in life like, you might actually meet enough people to find someone who you actually want to procreate with? This can be true on a spaceship too.
  - plagiarist 3y ago
    We're already failing multi-generational travel on a giant rock full of food, water, oxygen, and free energy. Seems weird to assume we can do it in a tin can with fewer resources and zero forgiveness for error.
  - Sparkyte 3y ago
    Well I need to step in on this. It isn't like oh hey multi-generational... it is more complicated. People born without the effects of gravity will not develop the same. No form of alternative medicine will fix that. Traveling through space means that piece of society needs to be consistent with maintenance and non stop. Humans are disorganized and function independently. Small groups function together. Humans are messy and keeping that space clean will be nearly impossible. You would need a way to grow food and handle waste. Not even the best submarines have figured this out. Even with the ISS we have to send food up and take trash back. We are not net zero enough to even make such a project possible.
    - jncfhnb 3y ago
      ISS can just jettison trash.
      - Sparkyte 3y ago
        Okay so where do you get the material to make more trash that would last a few hundred years it would take several generations and hopefully noone experience health problems to achieve this goal.
        jncfhnb 3y ago
        I’m not disagreeing about the feasibility of space travel with current tech. I’m just pointing out that you seem to have just made up this idea that we shuttle trash from the ISS back to Earth and that’s wrong.
- whatshisface 3y ago
  Good thing I brought my bone density pills and my life expectancy extension pills... and a lot of computer games.
Terr_ 3y ago
Depends on the size of the conveyance: I've been traveling through empty space for decades, and I've barely explored the ship.