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> > much bigger adventure I believe that without the familiar elements waiting for us at whatever the destination might be, it would be an asylum not an advent

> > much bigger adventure I believe that without the familiar elements waiting for us at whatever the destination might be, it would be an asylum not an adventure. If you play a word association game using the word 'adventure' the first thing that realistically come up to mind are: 1) Hike 2) Mountain bike trail 3) Motorcycle trip 4) Boat trip Etc. etc. All the above adventures have the common thing that while you are out and about you feel the elements very strongly on your skin and all your 5 senses are intensely stimulated . In space you'd be confined and in your spacesuit your whole life and you'd also be confined in the spaceship or artificial spaces. No stimulation at all, maybe only the visuals would be stimulated but you'd be mostly staring at empty space, and the space that is not empty such as clusters and stars might be beautiful to look from afar but they are so big that you can never quite touch them, unlike a flower or a sequoia.

OkayPhysicist 3y ago
The key features of adventure are A) risk and B) novelty. Space exploration absolutely features an abundance of both.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  > > The key features of adventure are A) risk and B) novelty. Space exploration absolutely features an abundance of both. If that is the case there are billions of activities ranging from unprotected sex to drug smuggling to drug consuming to riding motorcycles to hitting on wives on cartel bosses in Latin America...all right here on Earth and available to those who want to try them for a few bucks. I still mantain that feeling the elements on your skin and have all 5 senses stimulated while moving fast (but not too fast that you need protection) is the best definition of adventure and the one that most people would agree on...AKA "I'm flying Jack!!" , what would Rose say when going to space? "I am being propelled in vacuum by a mix of carbon, sulphur, and potassium nitrate, I can't feel anything because I am in my spacesuit strapped to the seat of this alluminium spaceship which I hope is airtight but this indicator here tells me I am moving faster than every human ever did, so it must be true, Jack!"
  - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
    The more novelty there is, the more adventurous it is. The first climb of Mount Everest was no doubt a grander adventure than being one of hundreds each year today. Space is the final frontier, an untapped expanse of never-before experienced firsts. And come on, we have plenty of great astronaut quotes: "One small step for a man, One giant leap for mankind" ring any bells?
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      you described bragging rights and record chasers not novelty. Novelty is exactly the opposite of what you said. If you have never been on the Everest (or whatever activity really) and you experience it for the first time your sensation will be the same regardless of you being #1 or #75000 in the global ranking, because it will be the first time for you. Let’s talk practical examples, how many people have reached 120mph on a motorcycle? Millions if not billions, but when YOU do it for the first time it’s not like you are busy thinking of the millions of people who did it before you, you just have a good time. Fuck. And I mean fuck as a verb, should we not have sex anymore because we are not the first humans to ever have sex? The first people should have never fucked because they were not the first organisms to fuck? People who say holding their kid after they are born is the best moment of their lives, they feel on cloud 9 even though they are human #11,477,764,778 to experience such feeling At the end of the day space enthusiasts should test their belief and go live in Antartica for some 8 months during the winter and see for themselves. And that’s not even a true test because Antartica is the Garden of Eden compared to space
      - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
        You've gotten a little lost. Adventure is not just a synonym for "something fun to do". Sex, in the most vanilla sense of the word, isn't an adventure. It's not particularly risky, and it's not novel at all. Holding a baby is not an adventure at all. The "global novelty" aspect of adventure (aside from the "personal novelty") comes from the fact that you're entering the unknown. The adventurous nature of an activity is diminished if it's already common knowledge what you can expect from the experience.
calderknight 3y ago
None of those phrases would come to my mind. Adventure is about the unknown.
- JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
  99.999999999% of the Earth is unknown to you Seeing stuff in pictures or videos doesn’t count and even if it did still 99.9999999% of the Earth would be unknown to you And I am not even starting on fast vehicles, seeing videos or pictures of other people riding fast vehicles is absolutely not the same as doing it yourself Same with drugs, sex, music, falling in love etc There is unknown on Earth for 1000 human lifetimes, probably much more than that
  - calderknight 3y ago
    There is a really massive difference between "the unknown" and "stuff I personally haven't seen yet".
    - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
      There is also a massive difference between seeing the Grand Canyon or the Great Bahamas Basin in pictures and doing 54 kts on a jetski flying on water in such Basin. We also have pretty nice pictures of the Olympus Mons so if you are snubbing the Grand Canyon and the Great Bahamas Basin just because someone else already took pics, then you should snub the Olympus Mons as well, otherwise you’d be committing a logical fallacy. And besides, the frontier of the unknown as it pertains to humanity as a whole has moved to the micro and the nano, all stuff that requires boring research and experiments costing billions as opposed to Wild West adventure.
      - calderknight 3y ago
        The main reason to snub the Grand Canyon is that it's been very well explored, not that it's had photographs taken of it. So, although I'm willing to snub Olympus Mons a little bit if we really have such good photos of it (I don't think we do), since that does reduce the scope of the unkown. But I would still think there's much adventure to be had there as one of the first people to explore it.

OkayPhysicist 3y ago

The key features of adventure are A) risk and B) novelty. Space exploration absolutely features an abundance of both.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
> > The key features of adventure are A) risk and B) novelty. Space exploration absolutely features an abundance of both. If that is the case there are billions of activities ranging from unprotected sex to drug smuggling to drug consuming to riding motorcycles to hitting on wives on cartel bosses in Latin America...all right here on Earth and available to those who want to try them for a few bucks. I still mantain that feeling the elements on your skin and have all 5 senses stimulated while moving fast (but not too fast that you need protection) is the best definition of adventure and the one that most people would agree on...AKA "I'm flying Jack!!" , what would Rose say when going to space? "I am being propelled in vacuum by a mix of carbon, sulphur, and potassium nitrate, I can't feel anything because I am in my spacesuit strapped to the seat of this alluminium spaceship which I hope is airtight but this indicator here tells me I am moving faster than every human ever did, so it must be true, Jack!"
- OkayPhysicist 3y ago
  The more novelty there is, the more adventurous it is. The first climb of Mount Everest was no doubt a grander adventure than being one of hundreds each year today. Space is the final frontier, an untapped expanse of never-before experienced firsts. And come on, we have plenty of great astronaut quotes: "One small step for a man, One giant leap for mankind" ring any bells?
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    you described bragging rights and record chasers not novelty. Novelty is exactly the opposite of what you said. If you have never been on the Everest (or whatever activity really) and you experience it for the first time your sensation will be the same regardless of you being #1 or #75000 in the global ranking, because it will be the first time for you. Let’s talk practical examples, how many people have reached 120mph on a motorcycle? Millions if not billions, but when YOU do it for the first time it’s not like you are busy thinking of the millions of people who did it before you, you just have a good time. Fuck. And I mean fuck as a verb, should we not have sex anymore because we are not the first humans to ever have sex? The first people should have never fucked because they were not the first organisms to fuck? People who say holding their kid after they are born is the best moment of their lives, they feel on cloud 9 even though they are human #11,477,764,778 to experience such feeling At the end of the day space enthusiasts should test their belief and go live in Antartica for some 8 months during the winter and see for themselves. And that’s not even a true test because Antartica is the Garden of Eden compared to space
    - OkayPhysicist 3y ago
      You've gotten a little lost. Adventure is not just a synonym for "something fun to do". Sex, in the most vanilla sense of the word, isn't an adventure. It's not particularly risky, and it's not novel at all. Holding a baby is not an adventure at all. The "global novelty" aspect of adventure (aside from the "personal novelty") comes from the fact that you're entering the unknown. The adventurous nature of an activity is diminished if it's already common knowledge what you can expect from the experience.

calderknight 3y ago

None of those phrases would come to my mind. Adventure is about the unknown.

JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
99.999999999% of the Earth is unknown to you Seeing stuff in pictures or videos doesn’t count and even if it did still 99.9999999% of the Earth would be unknown to you And I am not even starting on fast vehicles, seeing videos or pictures of other people riding fast vehicles is absolutely not the same as doing it yourself Same with drugs, sex, music, falling in love etc There is unknown on Earth for 1000 human lifetimes, probably much more than that
- calderknight 3y ago
  There is a really massive difference between "the unknown" and "stuff I personally haven't seen yet".
  - JumpinJack_Cash 3y ago
    There is also a massive difference between seeing the Grand Canyon or the Great Bahamas Basin in pictures and doing 54 kts on a jetski flying on water in such Basin. We also have pretty nice pictures of the Olympus Mons so if you are snubbing the Grand Canyon and the Great Bahamas Basin just because someone else already took pics, then you should snub the Olympus Mons as well, otherwise you’d be committing a logical fallacy. And besides, the frontier of the unknown as it pertains to humanity as a whole has moved to the micro and the nano, all stuff that requires boring research and experiments costing billions as opposed to Wild West adventure.
    - calderknight 3y ago
      The main reason to snub the Grand Canyon is that it's been very well explored, not that it's had photographs taken of it. So, although I'm willing to snub Olympus Mons a little bit if we really have such good photos of it (I don't think we do), since that does reduce the scope of the unkown. But I would still think there's much adventure to be had there as one of the first people to explore it.