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> How was this done in the past? Did we just never catch any human traffickers / rapists? Recently invented encrypted chat rooms allow people to coordinate and

> How was this done in the past? Did we just never catch any human traffickers / rapists? Recently invented encrypted chat rooms allow people to coordinate and transfer CSAM without any government official being able to infiltrate it. And just being able to freely discuss has been shown to make the problem worse as it facilitates knowledge transfer. This is all completely different to in the past where this would have been done in person. So the argument that we should just do what we did in the past makes no sense. As technology advances we need to develop new techniques in order to keep up.

trandango 3y ago
Absolutely true. If there are new ways to commit crimes, there must be new ways to fight crimes. Child abuse has been accelerated greatly by technology and we are fighting it with sticks and stones because we don't want to accept that the terribleness of these crimes is worth giving up some of our privacy to stop.
- jiofj 3y ago
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- IMTDb 3y ago
  > Child abuse has been accelerated greatly by technology Any source for that statement ? My understanding is that child abuse - while still existing - is at an all time low in modern western societies. Children working in brothel used to be common, children getting abused by the church used to be a well know fact etc. Overall a using children is harder than ever even if it has not completely disappeared. Technology - which allows efficient transfer of information, testimonies etc - is instrumental to that evolution.
rockemsockem 3y ago
So these people who are coordinating and transferring CSAM are presumably bringing others into the fold to more effectively distribute things. Otherwise digital technology would not make distribution and coordination easier. So law enforcement just needs to infiltrate these groups exactly the same way that they did in the past. The only difference is they don't even need to meet these creeps face to face until they arrest them.

trandango 3y ago

Absolutely true. If there are new ways to commit crimes, there must be new ways to fight crimes. Child abuse has been accelerated greatly by technology and we are fighting it with sticks and stones because we don't want to accept that the terribleness of these crimes is worth giving up some of our privacy to stop.

jiofj 3y ago
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IMTDb 3y ago
> Child abuse has been accelerated greatly by technology Any source for that statement ? My understanding is that child abuse - while still existing - is at an all time low in modern western societies. Children working in brothel used to be common, children getting abused by the church used to be a well know fact etc. Overall a using children is harder than ever even if it has not completely disappeared. Technology - which allows efficient transfer of information, testimonies etc - is instrumental to that evolution.

rockemsockem 3y ago

So these people who are coordinating and transferring CSAM are presumably bringing others into the fold to more effectively distribute things. Otherwise digital technology would not make distribution and coordination easier. So law enforcement just needs to infiltrate these groups exactly the same way that they did in the past. The only difference is they don't even need to meet these creeps face to face until they arrest them.