4 ms·

It is naive to think that the next evolution isn't armed drones, probably excess ones under the 1033 Program of the Defense Logistics Agency, with the excuse th

It is naive to think that the next evolution isn't armed drones, probably excess ones under the 1033 Program of the Defense Logistics Agency, with the excuse that "now decisions to use force can be made without the officer in physical danger" and "now those decisions can be made by a group of people instead of one officer".

SenAnder 3y ago
It's foolish to think unarmed drones are less dangerous. They'll log your face, the faces of your friends, record audio, and next time you enter a government building/airport/other high-security area, you are arrested for spreading misinformation & hate speech/violating curfew/social distancing, reported to your employer for breaking your NDA/discussing your salary/organizing a union/conspiring to interfere with a business, etc. Blunt instruments like guns and tear gas are the least dangerous parts of tyranny.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  Are you kidding me? The moment this country outlaws misinformation I am gone. You've made quite the leap and I don't think it is helpful. Also, the guns are the way they typically kill people and that is definitely nothing to scoff at.
  - SenAnder 3y ago
    I'm from Europe, and there are a number of laws against misinformation and hate-speech already [0,1,2,3,4]. Notably, Scotland bans hate speech in private homes too [5,6]. Free speech protections in the rest of the world are even worse, China and Russia the usual examples. As hallowed as the 1st amendment is, it's dangerous to rely solely on legal protections, especially as public sentiment has started to turn against free speech in the US as well [7,8,9]. Ignoring misinformation and hate speech, what will happen when employment contracts or terms of use start to further limit our behavior? While it has a good record on free speech, the US has a disturbing trend of treating contracts as sacrosanct. [0] https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-arresting-12-year-olds-for-hate-speech/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-hate-speech-disinformation https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-ha... [2] https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-misinformation-law-propaganda-compliance-facebook-gdpr/691657/ https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-m... [3] https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-than-100-laws-on-the-books-to-combat-misinformation-how-well-do-they-work/ https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country [5] https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf-holyrood-latest-nicola-sturgeon https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-sco... [6] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-563... [7] https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-attitudes-campus-free-speech https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-at... [8] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-americans-support-freedom-speech/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-amer... [9] https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
    - birdyrooster 3y ago
      Right so you don't know what it's like to live in a dystopian society where guns are everywhere and some are itching to use their weapon consciously or otherwise.
birdyrooster 3y ago
This is slippery slope logical fallacy.

SenAnder 3y ago

It's foolish to think unarmed drones are less dangerous. They'll log your face, the faces of your friends, record audio, and next time you enter a government building/airport/other high-security area, you are arrested for spreading misinformation & hate speech/violating curfew/social distancing, reported to your employer for breaking your NDA/discussing your salary/organizing a union/conspiring to interfere with a business, etc. Blunt instruments like guns and tear gas are the least dangerous parts of tyranny.

birdyrooster 3y ago
Are you kidding me? The moment this country outlaws misinformation I am gone. You've made quite the leap and I don't think it is helpful. Also, the guns are the way they typically kill people and that is definitely nothing to scoff at.
- SenAnder 3y ago
  I'm from Europe, and there are a number of laws against misinformation and hate-speech already [0,1,2,3,4]. Notably, Scotland bans hate speech in private homes too [5,6]. Free speech protections in the rest of the world are even worse, China and Russia the usual examples. As hallowed as the 1st amendment is, it's dangerous to rely solely on legal protections, especially as public sentiment has started to turn against free speech in the US as well [7,8,9]. Ignoring misinformation and hate speech, what will happen when employment contracts or terms of use start to further limit our behavior? While it has a good record on free speech, the US has a disturbing trend of treating contracts as sacrosanct. [0] https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-arresting-12-year-olds-for-hate-speech/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-hate-speech-disinformation https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-ha... [2] https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-misinformation-law-propaganda-compliance-facebook-gdpr/691657/ https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-m... [3] https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-than-100-laws-on-the-books-to-combat-misinformation-how-well-do-they-work/ https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country [5] https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf-holyrood-latest-nicola-sturgeon https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-sco... [6] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-563... [7] https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-attitudes-campus-free-speech https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-at... [8] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-americans-support-freedom-speech/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-amer... [9] https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
  - birdyrooster 3y ago
    Right so you don't know what it's like to live in a dystopian society where guns are everywhere and some are itching to use their weapon consciously or otherwise.

birdyrooster 3y ago

This is slippery slope logical fallacy.