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- pinewurst 3y agoWhy do people have to have 'commercial value' to get black bars? Why do people have to pass the ideological police? Why isn't serving as a visible advocate of a certain logical model enough? I think my bias comes from having started my career in AI on the inference side and having (perhaps not so much long term :) seen Cyc as a shining city on a hill. Lenat certainly established that logical model even if we've since gone onto other things.
- vkou 3y agoI believe the parent poster claims that a black bar should meet either a commercial, hacker-cultural, or open-source contribution one.
- junon 3y agoI think you don't understand the meaning of the black bar if "commercial value" is one of the metrics.
- vkou 3y agoSteve Jobs received one - by which criteria, if not commercial (to other people) value? It certainly wasn't for the warmth of his personality, his impeccable business ethics, or for his libre open-source contributions.
- mdp2021 3y ago> by which criteria Historic value.
- vkou 3y agoAnd which category of important-enough-to-be-historic contributions has he made?
- skyyler 3y agoTake a moment to reflect on what you're doing right now. You're turning a celebration of life for a _very_ recently departed figure into a pissing contest. Extremely distasteful.
- vkou 3y agoI think you're misunderstanding the direction and intent of this subthread. You're right that talking about Jobs is off-topic, though.
- mdp2021 3y ago«Contributions», debatable; «value», debatable; "impact", cannot be ignored. It is probably best if we stick to Doug Lenat and postpone the meta to a more neutral occasion: Doug Lenat has just died.
- sgt101 3y agoDidn't he: - invent case based reasoning - build Eurisko and AM - write a discipline defining paper ("Why AM and Eurisko appear to work") - undertake an ambitious but ultimately futile high risk research gamble with Cyc?
- steve_adams_86 3y agoWhile futile from a personal and business aspect, it’s certainly valuable and useful otherwise. Maybe that’s implied here as you’re listing contributions, but I wanted to emphasize that it wasn’t a waste outside of that narrow band of futility.
- sgt101 3y agoI agree, and the fact that someone walked that path has been extremely valuable as well. I think we learned a lot from the cyc effort.
- zozbot234 3y agoCase-based reasoning is VERY old. It shows up prominently in the Catholic tradition of practical ethics, drawing on Aristotelian thought. Of course in a more informal sense, people have been reasoning on a case-by-case basis since time immemorial.
- Rochus 3y agoThat's not what is meant here by case-based reasoning; CBR instead is an AI method which was prominent in the eighties and nineties where knowledge was represented in a semi-formal text representation and similarity was established by multi-dimensional assiociative indexing. One of the leading figures of the method was Roger Schank.
- EdwardCoffin 3y agoI got a lot of value out of some of the papers he wrote, and what bits of Building Large Knowledge-Based Systems I managed to read.
- ftxbro 3y agohe is the patron hacker of players who use computers to break board games or war games
- toomuchtodo 3y agoConsider giving more grace. Life is short, and kindness is free.
- aaron695 3y ago[dead]
- rvz 3y agoNot even Warnock got a black bar even when asked for one as a mark of respect: [0] I guess the black bar really is an ideological thing. Rather than being supposedly a 'mark of respect'. Regardless, RIP Doug. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37197852 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37197852
- dang 3y agoWouldn't it also be a mark of respect to check, before saying something that mean, whether it's true or not? https://web.archive.org/web/20230821003655/https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37197243 https://web.archive.org/web/20230821003655/https://news.ycom...
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- acqbu 3y agoWow, that is really mean!