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>it has undeniable downsides but as a society we are now feeling what happens when a huge proportion of the population no longer experiences the cognitive upsid

>it has undeniable downsides but as a society we are now feeling what happens when a huge proportion of the population no longer experiences the cognitive upsides they used to get from nicotine. You don't need to inhale burnt tobacco to get nicotine, and there are plenty of other ways to get stimulants into your body; patches, teas, etc. and society is still consuming a shit-ton of stims; ain't been to an empty coffeeshop since COVID. vaping, while shown to be not great for you, is also still not as awful as inhaling tons of smoke, and can deliver the nico just as well. and it is the smoke that is the problem -- firefighters who handle a lot of cases often have lung cancer rates far higher than the rest of the population.

wkat4242 3y ago
I think what doesn't help is that vaping is treated the same as smoking. It's also banned everywhere that smoking is even though it doesn't generate particles. I think many smokers feel that there's no real upside to vaping for this reason apart from their own health effects. I think they should make vaping more attractive eg allowing it in a vaping area at the office. Ps I'm not a smoker nor vaper. But I'm getting a bit fed up with this war on nicotine. The current strictness the EU is taking is clearly not working for those who are still smokers. Continuing to increase the price will not either. Just like the war on drugs is never ending and has not really accomplished much more than increase risk and this rewards that benefit bigger cartels, it's time to evaluate to see what actually works.
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- serf 3y ago
  >It's also banned everywhere that smoking is even though it doesn't generate particles. I vape nicotine. That's not true in the slightest, unless you're using some wacky definition of 'particle'. I agree that the restrictions around where one vapes might need to be a little less lax when compared to cigarettes, but to claim that it doesn't 'generate particles' is disingenuous.
  - rubatuga 3y ago
    Probably less PM2.5 rating
  - wkat4242 3y ago
    Well there's no solids. No tar, ashes etc. Droplets yes but they are just oils. Similar to when you're frying in the kitchen. Probably a lot less than that in fact, considering the amount that goes into a vape pen.
    - Doxin 3y ago
      I'd still rather not be breathing someone else's used strawberry flavor though, regardless of health effects or lack thereof.

wkat4242 3y ago

I think what doesn't help is that vaping is treated the same as smoking. It's also banned everywhere that smoking is even though it doesn't generate particles. I think many smokers feel that there's no real upside to vaping for this reason apart from their own health effects. I think they should make vaping more attractive eg allowing it in a vaping area at the office. Ps I'm not a smoker nor vaper. But I'm getting a bit fed up with this war on nicotine. The current strictness the EU is taking is clearly not working for those who are still smokers. Continuing to increase the price will not either. Just like the war on drugs is never ending and has not really accomplished much more than increase risk and this rewards that benefit bigger cartels, it's time to evaluate to see what actually works.

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serf 3y ago
>It's also banned everywhere that smoking is even though it doesn't generate particles. I vape nicotine. That's not true in the slightest, unless you're using some wacky definition of 'particle'. I agree that the restrictions around where one vapes might need to be a little less lax when compared to cigarettes, but to claim that it doesn't 'generate particles' is disingenuous.
- rubatuga 3y ago
  Probably less PM2.5 rating
- wkat4242 3y ago
  Well there's no solids. No tar, ashes etc. Droplets yes but they are just oils. Similar to when you're frying in the kitchen. Probably a lot less than that in fact, considering the amount that goes into a vape pen.
  - Doxin 3y ago
    I'd still rather not be breathing someone else's used strawberry flavor though, regardless of health effects or lack thereof.