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Shit NYPD publicly doxed and threatened the mayor's daughter. I've always known the police were evil but that made me stop and really wonder what sort of constr

Shit NYPD publicly doxed and threatened the mayor's daughter. I've always known the police were evil but that made me stop and really wonder what sort of constraints municipal politicians are operating under. Like that is very very close to "gloves off" mafia type shit right out in the open. What kinds of threats do they make against those figures in private?

thechao 3y ago
In case anyone is interested in the power dynamic in Imperial Rome between the Emporers and the Legions, this is is an analogous situation.
- joshuaissac 3y ago
  This kind of power dynamic between the civilian administration and 'the military' would not be considered to be healthy, if it were happening in a sovereign polity. Could a sufficiently wealthy mayor (like Bloomberg) push through privatisation and deunionisation, while using their personal funds to pay for private security for the whole city in case there is a strike? The department's annual budget seems to be around 5 billion USD.
  - causality0 3y ago
    The problem in that situation wouldn't be funding, it would be personnel. NYPD is nauseatingly over funded and could do their job with half their current budget, but you can't just pull thirty thousand private security contractors out of your ass.
    - AtlasBarfed 3y ago
      Eh, I think you can: It's called the national guard.
      - linksnapzz 3y ago
        Nope. Not without the help of the governor. And, they're really badly equipped to do everything NYPD does.
        fakedang 3y ago
        How about seizing NYPD assets and calling in the National Guard after removing everyone, collecting their data in a massive database so that they get blackmarked wherever else they would go for employment? I guess there would be an inherent risk of such a draconian policy, considering it was the American MO in Iraq, but then again, that's Iraq and this is America. Just a thought.
soerxpso 3y ago
A particular video essay comes to mind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs). Since government must ultimately be held in place by use of force no matter how you structure it, it's unsurprising that the sub-organization responsible for exerting force is the ultimate decider of what's actually allowed.
trogdor 3y ago
>NYPD publicly doxed and threatened the mayor's daughter As best I can tell, that is not true. The Sergeants Benevolent Association, a police union, posted to Twitter a screenshot of Chiara de Blasio’s arrest report, which is a public record. The arrest report report contained her address… which was Gracie Mansion. In other words, not remotely a secret. The tweet did not threaten her.

thechao 3y ago

In case anyone is interested in the power dynamic in Imperial Rome between the Emporers and the Legions, this is is an analogous situation.

joshuaissac 3y ago
This kind of power dynamic between the civilian administration and 'the military' would not be considered to be healthy, if it were happening in a sovereign polity. Could a sufficiently wealthy mayor (like Bloomberg) push through privatisation and deunionisation, while using their personal funds to pay for private security for the whole city in case there is a strike? The department's annual budget seems to be around 5 billion USD.
- causality0 3y ago
  The problem in that situation wouldn't be funding, it would be personnel. NYPD is nauseatingly over funded and could do their job with half their current budget, but you can't just pull thirty thousand private security contractors out of your ass.
  - AtlasBarfed 3y ago
    Eh, I think you can: It's called the national guard.
    - linksnapzz 3y ago
      Nope. Not without the help of the governor. And, they're really badly equipped to do everything NYPD does.
      - fakedang 3y ago
        How about seizing NYPD assets and calling in the National Guard after removing everyone, collecting their data in a massive database so that they get blackmarked wherever else they would go for employment? I guess there would be an inherent risk of such a draconian policy, considering it was the American MO in Iraq, but then again, that's Iraq and this is America. Just a thought.

soerxpso 3y ago

A particular video essay comes to mind (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rStL7niR7gs). Since government must ultimately be held in place by use of force no matter how you structure it, it's unsurprising that the sub-organization responsible for exerting force is the ultimate decider of what's actually allowed.

trogdor 3y ago

>NYPD publicly doxed and threatened the mayor's daughter As best I can tell, that is not true. The Sergeants Benevolent Association, a police union, posted to Twitter a screenshot of Chiara de Blasio’s arrest report, which is a public record. The arrest report report contained her address… which was Gracie Mansion. In other words, not remotely a secret. The tweet did not threaten her.