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The police should absolutely use drones if it means getting officers can investigate without misuse of lethal force ever being an option. They are only using it

The police should absolutely use drones if it means getting officers can investigate without misuse of lethal force ever being an option. They are only using it when they would have otherwise sent a squad car or done nothing at all, so this seem like a net benefit for the community.

phone8675309 3y ago
It is naive to think that the next evolution isn't armed drones, probably excess ones under the 1033 Program of the Defense Logistics Agency, with the excuse that "now decisions to use force can be made without the officer in physical danger" and "now those decisions can be made by a group of people instead of one officer".
- SenAnder 3y ago
  It's foolish to think unarmed drones are less dangerous. They'll log your face, the faces of your friends, record audio, and next time you enter a government building/airport/other high-security area, you are arrested for spreading misinformation & hate speech/violating curfew/social distancing, reported to your employer for breaking your NDA/discussing your salary/organizing a union/conspiring to interfere with a business, etc. Blunt instruments like guns and tear gas are the least dangerous parts of tyranny.
  - birdyrooster 3y ago
    Are you kidding me? The moment this country outlaws misinformation I am gone. You've made quite the leap and I don't think it is helpful. Also, the guns are the way they typically kill people and that is definitely nothing to scoff at.
    - SenAnder 3y ago
      I'm from Europe, and there are a number of laws against misinformation and hate-speech already [0,1,2,3,4]. Notably, Scotland bans hate speech in private homes too [5,6]. Free speech protections in the rest of the world are even worse, China and Russia the usual examples. As hallowed as the 1st amendment is, it's dangerous to rely solely on legal protections, especially as public sentiment has started to turn against free speech in the US as well [7,8,9]. Ignoring misinformation and hate speech, what will happen when employment contracts or terms of use start to further limit our behavior? While it has a good record on free speech, the US has a disturbing trend of treating contracts as sacrosanct. [0] https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-arresting-12-year-olds-for-hate-speech/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-hate-speech-disinformation https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-ha... [2] https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-misinformation-law-propaganda-compliance-facebook-gdpr/691657/ https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-m... [3] https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-than-100-laws-on-the-books-to-combat-misinformation-how-well-do-they-work/ https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country [5] https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf-holyrood-latest-nicola-sturgeon https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-sco... [6] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-563... [7] https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-attitudes-campus-free-speech https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-at... [8] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-americans-support-freedom-speech/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-amer... [9] https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
      - birdyrooster 3y ago
        Right so you don't know what it's like to live in a dystopian society where guns are everywhere and some are itching to use their weapon consciously or otherwise.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  This is slippery slope logical fallacy.
jrm4 3y ago
This only "seems like a net benefit for the community" in the ridiculously hypothetical and whitewashed world in which the NYPD always does right by its citizens, especially those of color. Nah.
- deleted 3y ago
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- birdyrooster 3y ago
  Okay maybe you are right, I don't know. I just want less people to get hurt.
  - ryaneager 3y ago
    And you think giving the police more power will accomplish that?

phone8675309 3y ago

It is naive to think that the next evolution isn't armed drones, probably excess ones under the 1033 Program of the Defense Logistics Agency, with the excuse that "now decisions to use force can be made without the officer in physical danger" and "now those decisions can be made by a group of people instead of one officer".

SenAnder 3y ago
It's foolish to think unarmed drones are less dangerous. They'll log your face, the faces of your friends, record audio, and next time you enter a government building/airport/other high-security area, you are arrested for spreading misinformation & hate speech/violating curfew/social distancing, reported to your employer for breaking your NDA/discussing your salary/organizing a union/conspiring to interfere with a business, etc. Blunt instruments like guns and tear gas are the least dangerous parts of tyranny.
- birdyrooster 3y ago
  Are you kidding me? The moment this country outlaws misinformation I am gone. You've made quite the leap and I don't think it is helpful. Also, the guns are the way they typically kill people and that is definitely nothing to scoff at.
  - SenAnder 3y ago
    I'm from Europe, and there are a number of laws against misinformation and hate-speech already [0,1,2,3,4]. Notably, Scotland bans hate speech in private homes too [5,6]. Free speech protections in the rest of the world are even worse, China and Russia the usual examples. As hallowed as the 1st amendment is, it's dangerous to rely solely on legal protections, especially as public sentiment has started to turn against free speech in the US as well [7,8,9]. Ignoring misinformation and hate speech, what will happen when employment contracts or terms of use start to further limit our behavior? While it has a good record on free speech, the US has a disturbing trend of treating contracts as sacrosanct. [0] https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-arresting-12-year-olds-for-hate-speech/ https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/07/13/now-the-police-are-... [1] https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-hate-speech-disinformation https://www.npr.org/2022/04/23/1094485542/eu-law-big-tech-ha... [2] https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-misinformation-law-propaganda-compliance-facebook-gdpr/691657/ https://www.legaldive.com/news/digital-services-act-dsa-eu-m... [3] https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-than-100-laws-on-the-books-to-combat-misinformation-how-well-do-they-work/ https://thebulletin.org/premium/2021-05/countries-have-more-... [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech_laws_by_country [5] https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-scotland-hate-crime-law-humza-yousaf-holyrood-latest-nicola-sturgeon https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1352957/snp-news-sco... [6] https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-56364821 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-563... [7] https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-attitudes-campus-free-speech https://www.thefire.org/news/new-survey-reveals-americans-at... [8] https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-americans-support-freedom-speech/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/01/06/most-amer... [9] https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/2015/05/20/hate-speech https://today.yougov.com/topics/politics/articles-reports/20...
    - birdyrooster 3y ago
      Right so you don't know what it's like to live in a dystopian society where guns are everywhere and some are itching to use their weapon consciously or otherwise.
birdyrooster 3y ago
This is slippery slope logical fallacy.

jrm4 3y ago

This only "seems like a net benefit for the community" in the ridiculously hypothetical and whitewashed world in which the NYPD always does right by its citizens, especially those of color. Nah.

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birdyrooster 3y ago
Okay maybe you are right, I don't know. I just want less people to get hurt.
- ryaneager 3y ago
  And you think giving the police more power will accomplish that?