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This graph from the 2015 article "Law enforcement took more stuff from people than burglars did last year" really rammed this home for me: https://www.washingt

This graph from the 2015 article "Law enforcement took more stuff from people than burglars did last year" really rammed this home for me: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-took-more-stuff-from-people-than-burglars-did-last-year/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/11/23/cops-...

wahnfrieden 3y ago
Both those sums are further eclipsed by wage theft but that's another topic. This is also only based on federal police statistics, because we don't have data available on state and local police forces who all participate in this looting. Previous discussion, which mods removed from the frontpage once it was at the top: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975143 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975143
- black_13 3y ago
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readthenotes1 3y ago
other robbers https://www.fakhimi.com/photos/robbery-versus-burglary.jpg https://www.fakhimi.com/photos/robbery-versus-burglary.jpg
- kbenson 3y ago
  That slide is confusing. The Burglary side says it takes place when people are absent, but then says it's a violent crime (and shows one person punching another). I get it's probably a legal definition of "violent" or something, but in that case showing an image of one person punching another is somewhat misleading...
  - zerocrates 3y ago
    Burglary isn't necessarily/traditionally a violent crime. Crime stats usually report it as a non-violent property crime, though there are parts of federal law that treat it as violent or similarly to violent crimes. It doesn't have violence as an element of the crime, but breaking into peoples' houses obviously sets the stage for more violent encounters. Robbery on the other hand is by definition a violent crime, the threat of violence is what distinguishes it from other forms of theft or larceny.
    - r3trohack3r 3y ago
      > Robbery on the other hand is by definition a violent crime, the threat of violence is what distinguishes it from other forms of theft or larceny. This is exactly it for me. When I first read that the TSA would report you to the DEA for carrying large sums of cash into an airport, and the DEA would intercept you and seize it, I’ve been referring to it as armed robbery. When the DEA asks you to hand over the $10k in your backpack, they’re doing it under threat of violence. It’s armed robbery, they just haven’t “drawn their gun yet.” Try sticking to “I’m sorry sir, you can not have my money” and you’ll quickly see what the full weight of the U.S. Government looks like when escalated against you. From the time they decided they wanted your money, it was theirs.
    - dmoy 3y ago
      General data from the US for burglary depends on the source, yea. If you look at victim data it's roughly it's 3 million burglaries per year, about 1/3 of which are home invasions. And about 1/4 of those (so 1/12 of total) are also violent crimes where the resident is injured. But then when it comes time to report crime stats some stuff gets partitioned off into other buckets (I guess to avoid double counting? Idk). So e.g. some sources will take those 250k assaults-during-burglary and not count them as burglaries. It gets really confusing really fast.
    - bdowling 3y ago
      Robbery and burglary are both considered inherently dangerous crimes for which the felony murder rule can be applied. That means that if someone dies (victim, perpetrator or bystander) during a burglary or robbery, then the perpetrators can be charged with murder. Also, I’d add that robbery can be done by trick instead of threat of violence. E.g., a robber tricks victim into handing over their wallet or purse, then distracts them while they remove valuables. The victim may not even know they’ve been robbed until later. If the victim, later noticing she has been robbed, then has a heart attack and dies, however, then the robber could potentially be charged with felony murder.
- EGreg 3y ago
  The bottom right of that slide says "victims are absent", then proceeds to show someone violently attacking a victim. Pretty self-contradictory. The entire right side seems to be trying to redefine what "Burglary" means in everyday English. It means people stealing things, without the victims finding out right away, and without intimidating or threatening anyone. The definition is completely overbroad, and seems like it's done with some agenda. Someone "entering with intent to commit a crime" is not always burglary, for example someone intending to defecate in a hallway or spray graffiti in the bathroom is not a burglar.
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rudyfink 3y ago
If anyone else was curious for more recent data, this 2021 article has the trends through 2019: https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/cops-still-take-more-stuff-from-people https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/cops-still-take-more-stuff.... Its chart shows that burglary led from 2016-2018, but asset forfeiture was ahead again in 2023.
ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago
https://archive.li/fhkvp https://archive.li/fhkvp
- beej71 3y ago
  (Did anyone ever solve the captcha loop issue with archive.*?)
  - richardjam73 3y ago
    Don't use cloudflare as DNS
    - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
      This didn't initially work for me. I changed DNS server settings tore down all my outside connections (physically), brought them back up…nada. Still infinite loop. Then I remembered I have an on-device ad filter implemented as a VPN, toggled that off and nn again, and now it works without even presenting a captcha. So, thank you for point me in the right direction!
  - xnx 3y ago
    I was caught in this loop on a WeWork wifi connection, but it went away as soon as I switched to my VPN.
xnx 3y ago
Would Scam Bankman-Fried's Robinhood shares be counted in the number for this year?
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wahnfrieden 3y ago

Both those sums are further eclipsed by wage theft but that's another topic. This is also only based on federal police statistics, because we don't have data available on state and local police forces who all participate in this looting. Previous discussion, which mods removed from the frontpage once it was at the top: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975143 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36975143

black_13 3y ago
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readthenotes1 3y ago

other robbers https://www.fakhimi.com/photos/robbery-versus-burglary.jpg https://www.fakhimi.com/photos/robbery-versus-burglary.jpg

kbenson 3y ago
That slide is confusing. The Burglary side says it takes place when people are absent, but then says it's a violent crime (and shows one person punching another). I get it's probably a legal definition of "violent" or something, but in that case showing an image of one person punching another is somewhat misleading...
- zerocrates 3y ago
  Burglary isn't necessarily/traditionally a violent crime. Crime stats usually report it as a non-violent property crime, though there are parts of federal law that treat it as violent or similarly to violent crimes. It doesn't have violence as an element of the crime, but breaking into peoples' houses obviously sets the stage for more violent encounters. Robbery on the other hand is by definition a violent crime, the threat of violence is what distinguishes it from other forms of theft or larceny.
  - r3trohack3r 3y ago
    > Robbery on the other hand is by definition a violent crime, the threat of violence is what distinguishes it from other forms of theft or larceny. This is exactly it for me. When I first read that the TSA would report you to the DEA for carrying large sums of cash into an airport, and the DEA would intercept you and seize it, I’ve been referring to it as armed robbery. When the DEA asks you to hand over the $10k in your backpack, they’re doing it under threat of violence. It’s armed robbery, they just haven’t “drawn their gun yet.” Try sticking to “I’m sorry sir, you can not have my money” and you’ll quickly see what the full weight of the U.S. Government looks like when escalated against you. From the time they decided they wanted your money, it was theirs.
  - dmoy 3y ago
    General data from the US for burglary depends on the source, yea. If you look at victim data it's roughly it's 3 million burglaries per year, about 1/3 of which are home invasions. And about 1/4 of those (so 1/12 of total) are also violent crimes where the resident is injured. But then when it comes time to report crime stats some stuff gets partitioned off into other buckets (I guess to avoid double counting? Idk). So e.g. some sources will take those 250k assaults-during-burglary and not count them as burglaries. It gets really confusing really fast.
  - bdowling 3y ago
    Robbery and burglary are both considered inherently dangerous crimes for which the felony murder rule can be applied. That means that if someone dies (victim, perpetrator or bystander) during a burglary or robbery, then the perpetrators can be charged with murder. Also, I’d add that robbery can be done by trick instead of threat of violence. E.g., a robber tricks victim into handing over their wallet or purse, then distracts them while they remove valuables. The victim may not even know they’ve been robbed until later. If the victim, later noticing she has been robbed, then has a heart attack and dies, however, then the robber could potentially be charged with felony murder.
EGreg 3y ago
The bottom right of that slide says "victims are absent", then proceeds to show someone violently attacking a victim. Pretty self-contradictory. The entire right side seems to be trying to redefine what "Burglary" means in everyday English. It means people stealing things, without the victims finding out right away, and without intimidating or threatening anyone. The definition is completely overbroad, and seems like it's done with some agenda. Someone "entering with intent to commit a crime" is not always burglary, for example someone intending to defecate in a hallway or spray graffiti in the bathroom is not a burglar.

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rudyfink 3y ago

If anyone else was curious for more recent data, this 2021 article has the trends through 2019: https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/cops-still-take-more-stuff-from-people https://thewhyaxis.substack.com/p/cops-still-take-more-stuff.... Its chart shows that burglary led from 2016-2018, but asset forfeiture was ahead again in 2023.

ThePowerOfFuet 3y ago

https://archive.li/fhkvp https://archive.li/fhkvp

beej71 3y ago
(Did anyone ever solve the captcha loop issue with archive.*?)
- richardjam73 3y ago
  Don't use cloudflare as DNS
  - IIsi50MHz 3y ago
    This didn't initially work for me. I changed DNS server settings tore down all my outside connections (physically), brought them back up…nada. Still infinite loop. Then I remembered I have an on-device ad filter implemented as a VPN, toggled that off and nn again, and now it works without even presenting a captcha. So, thank you for point me in the right direction!
- xnx 3y ago
  I was caught in this loop on a WeWork wifi connection, but it went away as soon as I switched to my VPN.

xnx 3y ago

Would Scam Bankman-Fried's Robinhood shares be counted in the number for this year?

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