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It's not a change confined to Twitter; it's a glimpse into what could be the new normal for the internet. You can bet Google/Gmail/YouTube, Amazon, Microsoft,

It's not a change confined to Twitter; it's a glimpse into what could be the new normal for the internet. You can bet Google/Gmail/YouTube, Amazon, Microsoft, TikTok, and every other Internet platform that works with user-generated content will soon do the same ... if they haven't done so already.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
The absolute irony of Google doing this.
frob 3y ago
They've been doing it for years. Everything you put on their servers is a source for them to train on. At FB Messenger in the mid to late teens, the suggestion and auto-reply models were trained on the entire corpus of unencrypted messages sent between users.
GoofballJones 3y ago
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- frank_nitti 3y ago
  I interpret this as more of a call to greater action, lest people thinking boycotting Twitter is going to address this problem, while happily continuing their use of instagram, google search, tiktok et al.
dayvid 3y ago
GMail's already been using your data for classification, data mining, etc. other AI purposes. I would be legitimately surprised if they're NOT using processed GMail data (potentially removing sensitive data, etc.) in training their LLMs or other AI projects.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  Yup. To be clear, that's with the free version though. If you pay, corporate versions of Google Workspace won't train on your data. That's very much by design, since companies don't want anything internal ever being exposed. But with the free version, that's part of what you're "paying" for it to remain free.
  - tikkun 3y ago
    Could you share a source? I'll immediately switch off my gmail onto one of my google workspace domains, if so.
    - crazygringo 3y ago
      https://workspace.google.com/blog/identity-and-security/protecting-your-data-era-generative-ai https://workspace.google.com/blog/identity-and-security/prot... https://9to5google.com/2023/07/03/google-privacy-policy-ai-training-data/ https://9to5google.com/2023/07/03/google-privacy-policy-ai-t... Although judging from that, it sounds like Google may have changed policy so that even private data in the free versions is no longer used for AI training. They stopped targeting ads in free Gmail based on your e-mail contents years ago because of the bad press. So maybe they've stopped training AI on free Gmail/Docs data out of similar precaution, now that LLM's are everywhere in the news.
- lern_too_spel 3y ago
  They'd certainly use it to train their spam classifiers, but using that data in a generative model shared with other users would risk information leaks, so they wouldn't do that.
systems_glitch 3y ago
One of the big reasons why I went with Proton Mail for whitelabeled email service when I stopped hosting my own. Nothing to scrape on the server side.

manuelabeledo 3y ago

The absolute irony of Google doing this.

frob 3y ago

They've been doing it for years. Everything you put on their servers is a source for them to train on. At FB Messenger in the mid to late teens, the suggestion and auto-reply models were trained on the entire corpus of unencrypted messages sent between users.

GoofballJones 3y ago

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frank_nitti 3y ago
I interpret this as more of a call to greater action, lest people thinking boycotting Twitter is going to address this problem, while happily continuing their use of instagram, google search, tiktok et al.

dayvid 3y ago

GMail's already been using your data for classification, data mining, etc. other AI purposes. I would be legitimately surprised if they're NOT using processed GMail data (potentially removing sensitive data, etc.) in training their LLMs or other AI projects.

crazygringo 3y ago
Yup. To be clear, that's with the free version though. If you pay, corporate versions of Google Workspace won't train on your data. That's very much by design, since companies don't want anything internal ever being exposed. But with the free version, that's part of what you're "paying" for it to remain free.
- tikkun 3y ago
  Could you share a source? I'll immediately switch off my gmail onto one of my google workspace domains, if so.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    https://workspace.google.com/blog/identity-and-security/protecting-your-data-era-generative-ai https://workspace.google.com/blog/identity-and-security/prot... https://9to5google.com/2023/07/03/google-privacy-policy-ai-training-data/ https://9to5google.com/2023/07/03/google-privacy-policy-ai-t... Although judging from that, it sounds like Google may have changed policy so that even private data in the free versions is no longer used for AI training. They stopped targeting ads in free Gmail based on your e-mail contents years ago because of the bad press. So maybe they've stopped training AI on free Gmail/Docs data out of similar precaution, now that LLM's are everywhere in the news.
lern_too_spel 3y ago
They'd certainly use it to train their spam classifiers, but using that data in a generative model shared with other users would risk information leaks, so they wouldn't do that.

systems_glitch 3y ago

One of the big reasons why I went with Proton Mail for whitelabeled email service when I stopped hosting my own. Nothing to scrape on the server side.