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Why have any prohibitions on anything then? Will only help outlaws and criminals, no? Outlawing slavery, for example, only working against good people who commi

Why have any prohibitions on anything then? Will only help outlaws and criminals, no? Outlawing slavery, for example, only working against good people who commit sins of omission?

ses1984 3y ago
You need to have prohibitions, they just need to be thought out carefully so they have the intended effect.
- pixl97 3y ago
  The difficulty here is you have to attempt to predict the path of least harm, which many times is only discovered in hindsight. There will never be 100% compliance in anything. Which forward path has the best social impact with the least social costs is the question.
HKH2 3y ago
> Outlawing slavery, for example, only working against good people who commit sins of omission? Yes. So much so that you are led to believe that people don't still practice slavery today.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  I didn't say anything about current forms of slavery, did I? But curious, do you have an example of good people "accidentally" having slaves and being prosecuted for that?
  - gadflyinyoureye 3y ago
    Being prosecuted? No.
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vorpalhex 3y ago
The question is enforcement. Can you enforce, whether by force or by norm, the act? Enforcement of marijuana prohibition, and before that alcohol prohibition, were failures. On the other hand, ending slavery was very enforceable. Enforcing AI uses is extremely difficult. Bad actors act with impunity and only the stupidly innocent suffer from the enforcement.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  I think it really depends on what AI we are talking about and also what specifically is prohibited. Not sure for me that it couldn't be an aggravating thing only, for example, or only certain "machinery" using AI has some prohibitions. Maybe even no specific prohibitions in the end.
  - vorpalhex 3y ago
    Right now, there's no AI artificial limitation that isn't totally bypassable with extreme trivial effort. If you want an AI that writes erotica, writes new Hitler speechs or so on.. it's here. Easy. Done. Maybe we will see prohibitions in the future around using AI for say mortgage underwriting. I do think that is enforceable - underwriting has a compliance culture, auditing, etc. Not that someone won't be caught doing it or even fly under the radar for a while but that is generally "enforceable".
bassrattle 3y ago
It comes down to life. Murder takes a life. Slavery takes someone's life too. Theft/fraud is taking life in the sense of time/effort spent toward the stolen material. We already have these prohibitions. We don't need new ones for every imaginable method of murder, slavery or theft.

Why have any prohibitions on anything then? Will only help outlaws and criminals, no? Outlawing slavery, for example, only working against good people who commit sins of omission?

ses1984 3y ago

You need to have prohibitions, they just need to be thought out carefully so they have the intended effect.

pixl97 3y ago
The difficulty here is you have to attempt to predict the path of least harm, which many times is only discovered in hindsight. There will never be 100% compliance in anything. Which forward path has the best social impact with the least social costs is the question.

HKH2 3y ago

> Outlawing slavery, for example, only working against good people who commit sins of omission? Yes. So much so that you are led to believe that people don't still practice slavery today.

RandomLensman 3y ago
I didn't say anything about current forms of slavery, did I? But curious, do you have an example of good people "accidentally" having slaves and being prosecuted for that?
- gadflyinyoureye 3y ago
  Being prosecuted? No.

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vorpalhex 3y ago

The question is enforcement. Can you enforce, whether by force or by norm, the act? Enforcement of marijuana prohibition, and before that alcohol prohibition, were failures. On the other hand, ending slavery was very enforceable. Enforcing AI uses is extremely difficult. Bad actors act with impunity and only the stupidly innocent suffer from the enforcement.

RandomLensman 3y ago
I think it really depends on what AI we are talking about and also what specifically is prohibited. Not sure for me that it couldn't be an aggravating thing only, for example, or only certain "machinery" using AI has some prohibitions. Maybe even no specific prohibitions in the end.
- vorpalhex 3y ago
  Right now, there's no AI artificial limitation that isn't totally bypassable with extreme trivial effort. If you want an AI that writes erotica, writes new Hitler speechs or so on.. it's here. Easy. Done. Maybe we will see prohibitions in the future around using AI for say mortgage underwriting. I do think that is enforceable - underwriting has a compliance culture, auditing, etc. Not that someone won't be caught doing it or even fly under the radar for a while but that is generally "enforceable".

bassrattle 3y ago

It comes down to life. Murder takes a life. Slavery takes someone's life too. Theft/fraud is taking life in the sense of time/effort spent toward the stolen material. We already have these prohibitions. We don't need new ones for every imaginable method of murder, slavery or theft.