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I used to run everything Google: had an OnHub, then a set of Nest WiFi pucks, my domains were in Google Domains, my Photos in Google Photos, have a bunch of Nes

I used to run everything Google: had an OnHub, then a set of Nest WiFi pucks, my domains were in Google Domains, my Photos in Google Photos, have a bunch of Nest cameras and other IoT stuff, Stadia, etc. They started by killing my OnHub, suddenly it wasn't good enough to operate as just another Nest puck. I moved off that. They killed Stadia, OK fair enough. Surprisingly, they killed my Nest Guard system too, now I have to move on to some third party they partnered with. Half of my cameras don't work as expected in the Home app, only the "new" ones do. Then they killed Domains for whatever reason. I don't think I'll be paying for any new Google products any time soon. When the cameras and smoke detectors stop working, I'll move on to something else. Unifi perhaps?

kemayo 3y ago
Where are you winding up moving your domains? I need to make a decision on that in the next 29 days...
- datameta 3y ago
  Yeah, that was an unexpected turn of events.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  Cloudflare. Cheap and is relatively painless to manage, DMARC included. It doesn't hurt that their dev documentation is pretty great.
  - robertlagrant 3y ago
    Yes - I use Cloudflare now.
  - dancemethis 3y ago
    It is tragic that they won't support .MOE domains. Would have moved years ago by now.
  - 9dev 3y ago
    Cloudflare has been promising to add support for all the missing TLDs for years, but seemingly just forgot about the product entirely. And I don't mean esoteric new endings, but mere country TLDs (e.g. `.de`). Google might be outright killing stuff, but Cloudflare moves from one interesting thing to the next like a goldfish with too much money and a huge supply of speed.
- kyrra 3y ago
  I'm using PorkBun as my registrar, and CloudFlare as my DNS host.
  - blibble 3y ago
    fyi porkbun's built in DNS is cloudflare
- makestuff 3y ago
  I got an email saying they sold the business to squarespace. Apparently if you don't do anything they will transfer them for you.
  - kemayo 3y ago
    True, and I guess they've promised to keep renewals at the same price for a year after that. After that they're (currently) notably more expensive, though, and I don't have any interest in being upsold on anything else Squarespace offers, so...
    - makestuff 3y ago
      Yeah I'm sure they will spam my email with offers where I get a "free" domain renewal if I subscribe to their website builder.
- constantly 3y ago
  Wordpress
- antelopelovefan 3y ago
  WordPress.com is offering free transfers from Google Domains. https://wordpress.com/blog/2023/08/01/transfer-unlimited-google-domains-to-wordpresscom-for-free/ https://wordpress.com/blog/2023/08/01/transfer-unlimited-goo... (Full disclosure, I work for Automattic )
coldpie 3y ago
I recommend the $30 smoke detector puck from the hardware store. It will work for its designed 10-year lifetime, after which you can buy another one to replace it. No drama.
- ivanmontillam 3y ago
  Most of the time no-tech solutions are the most appropriate ones. Imagine if your cloud smoke detector went offline and it didn't trigger because it needed a specialized non-local AI to reliably determine there's a fire.
  - teddyh 3y ago
    “The most recent piece of technology I own is a printer from 2004…” — <https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L>
  - manuelabeledo 3y ago
    > Imagine if your cloud smoke detector went offline and it didn't trigger because it needed a specialized non-local AI to reliably determine there's a fire. That would be a dumb product decision to make. Nest Protect complains about the smallest things, from connectivity (which does not affect detection, by the way), to battery, to positioning, and so far I have been reliably notified in the app. On the other hand, I did have plain smoke detectors before my Nest ones, and at least one was completely dead for a year without no one knowing.
    - ivanmontillam 3y ago
      It's true it'd be a dumb product decision, but you might be overestimating hardnosed Product Managers of shady companies. These are the kind of devices that are probably regulated in your country, but not necessarily elsewhere.
- lapetitejort 3y ago
  I went all in with Nest Protect. Then a few months later they killed Nest Guard. Now I look at my Protects with trepidation. They wouldn't kill smoke detectors, right? They have to support those for years, right? We shall see.
internet101010 3y ago
I went the Unifi route a few years ago and have had zero issues, nor have any of my friends who I have convinced to do it as well. With HomeKit you can have cameras show up on your TV and the api lets you monitor all things related to your network in Grafana. However, in order to maximize the benefits you need to have ethernet wiring throughout your home because so many of the products are PoE.
- oaiey 3y ago
  Unifi is not flawless regards canceling or limiting services either, BUT most of the stuff works even when they are dead because most features work locally. So be aware, there are dragons. On the other side: works flawless for me for many years now.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  Yes, the only reason why I didn't go down that route earlier was wiring - more expensive and kind of a pain in the ass, especially for outdoor cameras. Obviously I'm not going to throw away all my Nest cameras, but surely enough, I won't be buying new ones once they die.
studmuffin650 3y ago
When I was looking at a security system (and new WiFi mesh system), this is why I went with Ring and Eero. Amazon is many things, but they rarely shut down products AND they have a proven track record of iterating and making things better over time. Ring and Eero have proven to be resilient, work well, and be slowly improved.
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  > Amazon is many things, but they rarely shut down products... They did kill Halo and the Fire Phone. I own a couple of Blink cameras, and they killed the free tier as well. Also, it's hard to trust Amazon with my security system, when they recently admitted to hand camera data to law enforcement without owner's consent [0] [0] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/13/amazon-gave-ring-videos-to-police-without-owners-permission-00045513 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/13/amazon-gave-ring-vi...
dcdevito 3y ago
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rockostrich 3y ago
I only have Unifi products for networking (UDM and a couple of APs) but love it. Have ran into a couple of small issues but Unifi really gets out of your way when you want to fix something.

kemayo 3y ago

Where are you winding up moving your domains? I need to make a decision on that in the next 29 days...

datameta 3y ago
Yeah, that was an unexpected turn of events.
manuelabeledo 3y ago
Cloudflare. Cheap and is relatively painless to manage, DMARC included. It doesn't hurt that their dev documentation is pretty great.
- robertlagrant 3y ago
  Yes - I use Cloudflare now.
- dancemethis 3y ago
  It is tragic that they won't support .MOE domains. Would have moved years ago by now.
- 9dev 3y ago
  Cloudflare has been promising to add support for all the missing TLDs for years, but seemingly just forgot about the product entirely. And I don't mean esoteric new endings, but mere country TLDs (e.g. `.de`). Google might be outright killing stuff, but Cloudflare moves from one interesting thing to the next like a goldfish with too much money and a huge supply of speed.
kyrra 3y ago
I'm using PorkBun as my registrar, and CloudFlare as my DNS host.
- blibble 3y ago
  fyi porkbun's built in DNS is cloudflare
makestuff 3y ago
I got an email saying they sold the business to squarespace. Apparently if you don't do anything they will transfer them for you.
- kemayo 3y ago
  True, and I guess they've promised to keep renewals at the same price for a year after that. After that they're (currently) notably more expensive, though, and I don't have any interest in being upsold on anything else Squarespace offers, so...
  - makestuff 3y ago
    Yeah I'm sure they will spam my email with offers where I get a "free" domain renewal if I subscribe to their website builder.
constantly 3y ago
Wordpress
antelopelovefan 3y ago
WordPress.com is offering free transfers from Google Domains. https://wordpress.com/blog/2023/08/01/transfer-unlimited-google-domains-to-wordpresscom-for-free/ https://wordpress.com/blog/2023/08/01/transfer-unlimited-goo... (Full disclosure, I work for Automattic )

coldpie 3y ago

I recommend the $30 smoke detector puck from the hardware store. It will work for its designed 10-year lifetime, after which you can buy another one to replace it. No drama.

ivanmontillam 3y ago
Most of the time no-tech solutions are the most appropriate ones. Imagine if your cloud smoke detector went offline and it didn't trigger because it needed a specialized non-local AI to reliably determine there's a fire.
- teddyh 3y ago
  “The most recent piece of technology I own is a printer from 2004…” — <https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L https://imgur.com/6wbgy2L>
- manuelabeledo 3y ago
  > Imagine if your cloud smoke detector went offline and it didn't trigger because it needed a specialized non-local AI to reliably determine there's a fire. That would be a dumb product decision to make. Nest Protect complains about the smallest things, from connectivity (which does not affect detection, by the way), to battery, to positioning, and so far I have been reliably notified in the app. On the other hand, I did have plain smoke detectors before my Nest ones, and at least one was completely dead for a year without no one knowing.
  - ivanmontillam 3y ago
    It's true it'd be a dumb product decision, but you might be overestimating hardnosed Product Managers of shady companies. These are the kind of devices that are probably regulated in your country, but not necessarily elsewhere.
lapetitejort 3y ago
I went all in with Nest Protect. Then a few months later they killed Nest Guard. Now I look at my Protects with trepidation. They wouldn't kill smoke detectors, right? They have to support those for years, right? We shall see.

internet101010 3y ago

I went the Unifi route a few years ago and have had zero issues, nor have any of my friends who I have convinced to do it as well. With HomeKit you can have cameras show up on your TV and the api lets you monitor all things related to your network in Grafana. However, in order to maximize the benefits you need to have ethernet wiring throughout your home because so many of the products are PoE.

oaiey 3y ago
Unifi is not flawless regards canceling or limiting services either, BUT most of the stuff works even when they are dead because most features work locally. So be aware, there are dragons. On the other side: works flawless for me for many years now.
manuelabeledo 3y ago
Yes, the only reason why I didn't go down that route earlier was wiring - more expensive and kind of a pain in the ass, especially for outdoor cameras. Obviously I'm not going to throw away all my Nest cameras, but surely enough, I won't be buying new ones once they die.

studmuffin650 3y ago

When I was looking at a security system (and new WiFi mesh system), this is why I went with Ring and Eero. Amazon is many things, but they rarely shut down products AND they have a proven track record of iterating and making things better over time. Ring and Eero have proven to be resilient, work well, and be slowly improved.

manuelabeledo 3y ago
> Amazon is many things, but they rarely shut down products... They did kill Halo and the Fire Phone. I own a couple of Blink cameras, and they killed the free tier as well. Also, it's hard to trust Amazon with my security system, when they recently admitted to hand camera data to law enforcement without owner's consent [0] [0] https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/13/amazon-gave-ring-videos-to-police-without-owners-permission-00045513 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/07/13/amazon-gave-ring-vi...

dcdevito 3y ago

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rockostrich 3y ago

I only have Unifi products for networking (UDM and a couple of APs) but love it. Have ran into a couple of small issues but Unifi really gets out of your way when you want to fix something.