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Please help the guy before he gets too far along. Some of us might have to work with him. Seriously though, I saw someone described as a 22 yr old software eng

Please help the guy before he gets too far along. Some of us might have to work with him. Seriously though, I saw someone described as a 22 yr old software engineer in an article. There is a better term: "Software Engineering Apprentice"

sodapopcan 3y ago
For context, he's 40 years old and working in data science after a career switch from another data-heavy field. He's just learning web dev to build internal pages for displaying stuff, so no need to worry :D
EricMausler 3y ago
Unionize already. It's not just about wage, it's about assigning appropriate work to peoples level and having them progress through the most efficient steps to mastery while also completing billable hours
- chasd00 3y ago
  > ...it's about assigning appropriate work to peoples level and having them progress through the most efficient steps to mastery... that's the opposite of what a union does. A union rewards seniority and nothing else.
  - datavirtue 3y ago
    Yeah...OK. Found the union hater.
- fortzi 3y ago
  Normally workers unionize to improve their poor conditions vs an abusive employer, and when they have little to no ability to find another job for similar/better terms. Is that the situation for software devs where you’re at?
  - EricMausler 3y ago
    That may be common circumstances where a union becomes the only viable option for the workers, but unions have additional benefits that something like it would greatly benefit the software industry. In particular, it's the assignment of work to the union and then the union is responsible for pairing workers with the assignments which enables the union to create a training funnel where different requirements of the same job can be split among different workers of varying seniority such that apprentices are able to work on the easier items even when there are things beyond their skill involved in the overall work assigned to the union. Typically a union does primarily exist to create CBAs for wages but this is another function of them which I think would be very helpful for SE and future protection. So maybe not a traditional union is necessary, but I think there are some functions more or less exclusive to unions right now that would be beneficial to apply to SE. Hopefully that makes sense
BeefyMcGhee 3y ago
While we're gatekeeping, how about "Software Developer Apprentice"? This stuff isn't technically engineering.

sodapopcan 3y ago

For context, he's 40 years old and working in data science after a career switch from another data-heavy field. He's just learning web dev to build internal pages for displaying stuff, so no need to worry :D

EricMausler 3y ago

Unionize already. It's not just about wage, it's about assigning appropriate work to peoples level and having them progress through the most efficient steps to mastery while also completing billable hours

chasd00 3y ago
> ...it's about assigning appropriate work to peoples level and having them progress through the most efficient steps to mastery... that's the opposite of what a union does. A union rewards seniority and nothing else.
- datavirtue 3y ago
  Yeah...OK. Found the union hater.
fortzi 3y ago
Normally workers unionize to improve their poor conditions vs an abusive employer, and when they have little to no ability to find another job for similar/better terms. Is that the situation for software devs where you’re at?
- EricMausler 3y ago
  That may be common circumstances where a union becomes the only viable option for the workers, but unions have additional benefits that something like it would greatly benefit the software industry. In particular, it's the assignment of work to the union and then the union is responsible for pairing workers with the assignments which enables the union to create a training funnel where different requirements of the same job can be split among different workers of varying seniority such that apprentices are able to work on the easier items even when there are things beyond their skill involved in the overall work assigned to the union. Typically a union does primarily exist to create CBAs for wages but this is another function of them which I think would be very helpful for SE and future protection. So maybe not a traditional union is necessary, but I think there are some functions more or less exclusive to unions right now that would be beneficial to apply to SE. Hopefully that makes sense

BeefyMcGhee 3y ago

While we're gatekeeping, how about "Software Developer Apprentice"? This stuff isn't technically engineering.