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Hmm... but somehow hardware stores don't feel the need to make you sign an agreement to not cut off anyone's head before selling you a machete, and gas stations

Hmm... but somehow hardware stores don't feel the need to make you sign an agreement to not cut off anyone's head before selling you a machete, and gas stations don't make you sign an agreement to not burn down buildings before selling you gasoline.

figlett 3y ago
Isn't that because laws relating to physical harm already exist and are well-established? There's not really much legal regulation yet in terms of specific AI-driven harms. We're probably yet still to find out all the ways in which it can be abused.
- RandomLensman 3y ago
  What AI harms would not already be addressed by existing laws? Do you think there are gaps in criminal codes, for example?
  - Eisenstein 3y ago
    > What AI harms would not already be addressed by existing laws? I think that's the whole point -- we don't know.
  - alphabetting 3y ago
    Not an expert but I'd imagine there are a lot of gaps in relation to deepfakes
    - RandomLensman 3y ago
      What you have in mind? Something against ownership and creation?
    - Turing_Machine 3y ago
      People have been making fake photographs for going on two centuries now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bayard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bayard
  - dudeinjapan 3y ago
    Perhaps the issue is "psychological harms" which are not yet criminal, but we have an up-and-coming generation of law grads who believe they should be.
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iso1631 3y ago
> and gas stations don't make you sign an agreement to not burn down buildings before selling you gasoline. That's historic. Gas stations wouldn't be allowed nowadays, and the legal ways to buy something that dangerous would certainly not be anonymous To charge my electric car recently on holiday I couldn't just swipe my card at the charger like I can with a self-serve gas station. I had to download some shonky app, sign up, provide address details, and agree to pages of restrictions.
nwoli 3y ago
There probably are all sorts of weird “you may not use this computer to commit terrorist acts” agreements you implicitly or explicitly agree on when buying a computer
- didntcheck 3y ago
  Yep, iTunes famously may not be used to produce nuclear weapons. Well, the non-clickbait story is that Apple's generic user license has some boilerplate CYA regarding US federal laws. But seeing it written down in your music player is still funny [1] Even more amusing was Douglas Crockford putting a clause in his software license saying it may not be used "for evil". A bit of tongue-in-cheek humor referencing George Bush, but actually ended up causing a bit of a headache for some orgs, and the GNU Project declaring it a non-free license [2] [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/stdeula/ https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/std... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Crockford#Software_license_for_%22Good,_not_Evil%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Crockford#Software_lic...
renewiltord 3y ago
Hardware stores don’t have sites like this froth at the mouth to talk about how dangerous their machetes are and how it’s irresponsible to let people use them and so on and so forth.

figlett 3y ago

Isn't that because laws relating to physical harm already exist and are well-established? There's not really much legal regulation yet in terms of specific AI-driven harms. We're probably yet still to find out all the ways in which it can be abused.

RandomLensman 3y ago
What AI harms would not already be addressed by existing laws? Do you think there are gaps in criminal codes, for example?
- Eisenstein 3y ago
  > What AI harms would not already be addressed by existing laws? I think that's the whole point -- we don't know.
- alphabetting 3y ago
  Not an expert but I'd imagine there are a lot of gaps in relation to deepfakes
  - RandomLensman 3y ago
    What you have in mind? Something against ownership and creation?
  - Turing_Machine 3y ago
    People have been making fake photographs for going on two centuries now. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bayard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippolyte_Bayard
- dudeinjapan 3y ago
  Perhaps the issue is "psychological harms" which are not yet criminal, but we have an up-and-coming generation of law grads who believe they should be.

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iso1631 3y ago

> and gas stations don't make you sign an agreement to not burn down buildings before selling you gasoline. That's historic. Gas stations wouldn't be allowed nowadays, and the legal ways to buy something that dangerous would certainly not be anonymous To charge my electric car recently on holiday I couldn't just swipe my card at the charger like I can with a self-serve gas station. I had to download some shonky app, sign up, provide address details, and agree to pages of restrictions.

nwoli 3y ago

There probably are all sorts of weird “you may not use this computer to commit terrorist acts” agreements you implicitly or explicitly agree on when buying a computer

didntcheck 3y ago
Yep, iTunes famously may not be used to produce nuclear weapons. Well, the non-clickbait story is that Apple's generic user license has some boilerplate CYA regarding US federal laws. But seeing it written down in your music player is still funny [1] Even more amusing was Douglas Crockford putting a clause in his software license saying it may not be used "for evil". A bit of tongue-in-cheek humor referencing George Bush, but actually ended up causing a bit of a headache for some orgs, and the GNU Project declaring it a non-free license [2] [1] https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/stdeula/ https://www.apple.com/legal/internet-services/itunes/dev/std... [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Crockford#Software_license_for_%22Good,_not_Evil%22 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Crockford#Software_lic...

renewiltord 3y ago

Hardware stores don’t have sites like this froth at the mouth to talk about how dangerous their machetes are and how it’s irresponsible to let people use them and so on and so forth.