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The last time I played with Wayland: * It broke screen sharing things * It removed X forwarding * It made my copy-paste life more complicated * It made stea

by mpsprd 3y ago

The last time I played with Wayland: * It broke screen sharing things * It removed X forwarding * It made my copy-paste life more complicated * It made steam ui ever slower Were these points fixed? what is the current usability of Wayland on these fronts?

cmrdporcupine 3y ago
Steam is doing something wrong on Linux. I can't put my finger on what it is, but on my AMD based machine running a recent-ish Ubuntu it's just..a mess in both X and Wayland. Sometimes it's their annoying chrome-fork, steam-web-runner or whatever in a constant crash-loop in the background, eating all CPU. Other times it seems like if a game or the UI gets launched accidentally or automatically somehow on the integrated graphics, I have to go hunting zombie processes with kill -9 to get things to shut down enough so that I can start them using discrete graphics. Sometimes launches games and they're in odd geometry. Running it on X instead of Wayland sometimes fixes problems. But then other times not. Unpredictable. They're using a chromium based shell, but I don't have these problems with other things like that (Slack, Chrome itself, etc.) And Wayland support in the chromium stack is ... ok? So what gives?
- ekidd 3y ago
  Weirdly, a lot of Windows games run fine on Proton. There are a couple that only work on the Steam Deck, which is an Arch Linux system. (There's actually a complete Linux desktop UI if you dig for it!) But the Steam client is weirdly dodgy, even though it should just be a web UI that makes a few system calls. It's much worse than an Electron app like Visual Studio Code. There's the next-gen Steam Deck UI which is less buggy but pushes a lot of graphics cards pretty hard.
Filligree 3y ago
Now it also breaks Electron apps.
- enriquto 3y ago
  That could be easily construed as a feature.
- _lvbh 3y ago
  Since when? I switched from MacOS to Linux with Wayland directly with no experience with X11. I’ve never had any issues with electron
  - Filligree 3y ago
    If you have an Nvidia GPU, you'll find Electron breaks on Wayland. Not otherwise.
rascul 3y ago
What was the copy/paste issue?
- mpsprd 3y ago
  It needed extra work to get copy paste working in vim. Since then I think nvim natively supports it.

by mpsprd 3y ago

cmrdporcupine 3y ago

Steam is doing something wrong on Linux. I can't put my finger on what it is, but on my AMD based machine running a recent-ish Ubuntu it's just..a mess in both X and Wayland. Sometimes it's their annoying chrome-fork, steam-web-runner or whatever in a constant crash-loop in the background, eating all CPU. Other times it seems like if a game or the UI gets launched accidentally or automatically somehow on the integrated graphics, I have to go hunting zombie processes with kill -9 to get things to shut down enough so that I can start them using discrete graphics. Sometimes launches games and they're in odd geometry. Running it on X instead of Wayland sometimes fixes problems. But then other times not. Unpredictable. They're using a chromium based shell, but I don't have these problems with other things like that (Slack, Chrome itself, etc.) And Wayland support in the chromium stack is ... ok? So what gives?

ekidd 3y ago
Weirdly, a lot of Windows games run fine on Proton. There are a couple that only work on the Steam Deck, which is an Arch Linux system. (There's actually a complete Linux desktop UI if you dig for it!) But the Steam client is weirdly dodgy, even though it should just be a web UI that makes a few system calls. It's much worse than an Electron app like Visual Studio Code. There's the next-gen Steam Deck UI which is less buggy but pushes a lot of graphics cards pretty hard.

Filligree 3y ago

Now it also breaks Electron apps.

enriquto 3y ago
That could be easily construed as a feature.
_lvbh 3y ago
Since when? I switched from MacOS to Linux with Wayland directly with no experience with X11. I’ve never had any issues with electron
- Filligree 3y ago
  If you have an Nvidia GPU, you'll find Electron breaks on Wayland. Not otherwise.

rascul 3y ago

What was the copy/paste issue?

mpsprd 3y ago
It needed extra work to get copy paste working in vim. Since then I think nvim natively supports it.