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It sounds like an entirely unreasonable assumption to me. Advocating for child safety is something that transcends political differences, and generally unifies

It sounds like an entirely unreasonable assumption to me. Advocating for child safety is something that transcends political differences, and generally unifies people across the political spectrum. I mean, there aren't many people who want paedophiles to be able to amass huge collections of child abuse imagery from other paedophiles online. And pretty much every parent wants their child to be kept safe from predators both online and offline.

krapp 3y ago
I didn't claim otherwise. The fact remains that a specific subset of a specific political party has been using "advocating for child safety" as a pretext to accelerate fear of and harassment against the LGBT community and "the left" in general for years now, and they put a lot of effort into appearing legitimate. And yes, because their politics are becoming normalized within American culture, it is necessary to be skeptical about references to any such group. Assuming good faith is a rule on HN but elsewhere, where bad faith is what gets visibility, it's naive.
- figlett 3y ago
  Well, paedophiles hijacking leftist movements for their own ends is a known problem, it's happened before and it will happen again. One particularly infamous instance occurred in the UK back in the 1970s: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedoph... So if there are indeed some right-wing groups talking about this, maybe it's best not to brush off their claims without some scrutiny first. And I say this as someone who mostly agrees with the left on most things. Anyway I don't think that any of this has much to do with Apple being asked to implement specific technical measures for detecting child abuse imagery.
  - formerly_proven 3y ago
    > So if there are indeed some right-wing groups talking about this, maybe it's best not to brush off their claims without some scrutiny first. And I say this as someone who mostly agrees with the left on most things. Figlet indeed. > figlett 5 months ago [flagged] [dead] | parent | context | prev [–] | on: Florida courts could take 'emergency' custody of k... > This is excellent news for children at risk of being abused by militant transgenders and the medical establishment who are enabling them. Thank you Florida for trying to put an end to this menace. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35029166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35029166
    - figlett 3y ago
      Exactly, this is one area where the political left, particularly in the US, are failing terribly on child safety. I'm in the UK and we're doing better here though, the main left-wing party is backing away from the particular ideology that has enabled this. I was going to vote for them anyway as we desperately need our public services to be restored and welfare for those less fortunate in society to be improved, but I'm pleased they're moving towards a sensible, harm-reducing stance on this issue rather than assuming everything the gender activists say is reasonable.

krapp 3y ago

I didn't claim otherwise. The fact remains that a specific subset of a specific political party has been using "advocating for child safety" as a pretext to accelerate fear of and harassment against the LGBT community and "the left" in general for years now, and they put a lot of effort into appearing legitimate. And yes, because their politics are becoming normalized within American culture, it is necessary to be skeptical about references to any such group. Assuming good faith is a rule on HN but elsewhere, where bad faith is what gets visibility, it's naive.

figlett 3y ago
Well, paedophiles hijacking leftist movements for their own ends is a known problem, it's happened before and it will happen again. One particularly infamous instance occurred in the UK back in the 1970s: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedophiles-infiltrated-the-left-harriet-harman-patricia-hewitt https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/02/how-paedoph... So if there are indeed some right-wing groups talking about this, maybe it's best not to brush off their claims without some scrutiny first. And I say this as someone who mostly agrees with the left on most things. Anyway I don't think that any of this has much to do with Apple being asked to implement specific technical measures for detecting child abuse imagery.
- formerly_proven 3y ago
  > So if there are indeed some right-wing groups talking about this, maybe it's best not to brush off their claims without some scrutiny first. And I say this as someone who mostly agrees with the left on most things. Figlet indeed. > figlett 5 months ago [flagged] [dead] | parent | context | prev [–] | on: Florida courts could take 'emergency' custody of k... > This is excellent news for children at risk of being abused by militant transgenders and the medical establishment who are enabling them. Thank you Florida for trying to put an end to this menace. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35029166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35029166
  - figlett 3y ago
    Exactly, this is one area where the political left, particularly in the US, are failing terribly on child safety. I'm in the UK and we're doing better here though, the main left-wing party is backing away from the particular ideology that has enabled this. I was going to vote for them anyway as we desperately need our public services to be restored and welfare for those less fortunate in society to be improved, but I'm pleased they're moving towards a sensible, harm-reducing stance on this issue rather than assuming everything the gender activists say is reasonable.