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You pretty much delineated the “modernism” era and the era we are currently stuck in, “post modernism”. From the construction of the Eiffel Tower to WW2, you ge

You pretty much delineated the “modernism” era and the era we are currently stuck in, “post modernism”. From the construction of the Eiffel Tower to WW2, you get rough markers indicating that era. A great book regarding art in particular is called “The Shock of the New”. There’s also an 8-part (nearly 8 hours long) TV version of it you can find on YouTube. https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFtSvldL7Mh4ismj4BgH33pBR9hbtBkxz&si=sR_hyfR866AycAUn https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLFtSvldL7Mh4ismj4BgH33pBR... Robert Hughes, the art critic who wrote the book agrees with your assessment I believe.

detourdog 3y ago
I sort of have a problem with "post modernism". I'm of the belief that as long as the culture continues to persist we will always be in the modern era. I see the modern era as directly linked to the machine age. My thinking is that at this stage design is so democratic and available to anyone that we are in the timeless era. I believe that 'post modernism" was invented by the second generation modernist and critiques as a way to create an artificial distinction. I think now we have gotten to the point where modern aesthetics are driven by everything the modernists where dealing with the addition of code compliance. The machine age has become so regulated as to dictate a WAG of 80% the design decisions. I identify as a modernist. I will check out the YouTube as I'm hungry for long form design content.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  > I see the modern era as directly linked to the machine age. Agreed. I'd qualify further and say the mechanical machine age was to modernism as the digital machine age is to post modernism. From steam to screens. > we are in the timeless era. Yes, often referred to as the end of history. From Wikipedia: The idea of an "end of history" does not imply that nothing more will ever happen. Rather, what the postmodern sense of an end of history tends to signify is, in the words of contemporary historian Keith Jenkins, the idea that "the peculiar ways in which the past was historicized (was conceptualized in modernist, linear and essentially metanarrative forms) has now come to an end of its productive life; the all-encompassing 'experiment of modernity' ... is passing away into our postmodern condition". > with the addition of code compliance. That's actually really funny and an astute observation I've never considered. IT sort of aligns well with the delineations as well as things like building code came into existence starting in the 1950s mainly and have evolved to encompass more and more of the process. The managerial state.
  - detourdog 3y ago
    I was part of the first generation of designers to have access to desktop publishing and all the entails. I ended up leveraging my computer aptitude to the point where design firms kept me in the technical realm. The digital production realm has greatly informed my design process thinking. Where I use "digital production" efficiency techniques in the analog world. I see my place as a designer as the last generation that is aware to the analog world and able to use digital tools. My hope is that I get a good 15-20 more years of output. I can tell that we have very similar point of views and I would love to talk more about this area. I see each new design aesthetic as embedding a new feature in the overall design constraints.
Aardwolf 3y ago
25 already I had a teacher telling we were in post modernism. I also never grasped the definition of it, if it has any. Can we really be that long in a same "era"?
- nemo44x 3y ago
  Yeah I hear ya. I think it’s generally a lot of notions. The general zeitgeist and a bunch of other of Heidegger’s ideas and those he influenced. I do think there are real distinctions though. You see it profoundly in literature. Modernist literature has many different concerns in terms of structure, narrative, form, etc. Postmodernist writing just completely deconstructed it and reformed it. And I think that’s a big part of postmodernism - deconstruction. You see it in so many artifacts, social systems, and day-to-day life. Saying that I think we are in more of a hyper modern world today which is an extension of post but even more broken down and individualized and virtual. A works where we have multiple identities and exist in multiple places at once in different forms.
  - detourdog 3y ago
    Funnily enough I remember when deconstructionists hit Architecture. My school had a wild deconstructionists architecture department. Led by Larry Mitnick. I have a friend in the program whose dad was a "Post-Modernist" Yalie architect horrified at what his son was calling architecture. Eventually he went to Yale like his dad... I prefer to think of that period as deeper understanding of the patterns that humans in a society must endure while living in a totally built world. https://www.design.upenn.edu/people/larry-mitnick https://www.design.upenn.edu/people/larry-mitnick I still remember him lecture me on up and down during a summer program in 11th grade. He also told me I should spend my life studying corners. Still inspiring words to this day but I knew I just had to be an industrial designer. I went to talks hosted by them that included: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hejduk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hejduk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Libeskind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Libeskind I want to believe I saw Rem Koolhas as well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas Liebskind was speaking after winning the Jewish Museum in Berlin but before it was built. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_Berlin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_Berlin I have to give gratitude to HN for providing me a context to share my thoughts on deconstructionist and design. This I'm sure drives my resistance to new terms. I see the simplicity of Modernism as the least number of rules. This provides the designer to conceive of the manufactured through the required parameters.
nologic01 3y ago
Wow, thats quite a link. Tx. Need to find the time to go through this collection.
- nemo44x 3y ago
  I hope you enjoy it. It’s really great imo. I was stuck in the hospital for a couple weeks when I read the book. It’s remarkable and Robert Hughes was one of those rare critics that was a sort of teacher and philosopher who loved the things he was in task of critically analyzing.

detourdog 3y ago

I sort of have a problem with "post modernism". I'm of the belief that as long as the culture continues to persist we will always be in the modern era. I see the modern era as directly linked to the machine age. My thinking is that at this stage design is so democratic and available to anyone that we are in the timeless era. I believe that 'post modernism" was invented by the second generation modernist and critiques as a way to create an artificial distinction. I think now we have gotten to the point where modern aesthetics are driven by everything the modernists where dealing with the addition of code compliance. The machine age has become so regulated as to dictate a WAG of 80% the design decisions. I identify as a modernist. I will check out the YouTube as I'm hungry for long form design content.

nemo44x 3y ago
> I see the modern era as directly linked to the machine age. Agreed. I'd qualify further and say the mechanical machine age was to modernism as the digital machine age is to post modernism. From steam to screens. > we are in the timeless era. Yes, often referred to as the end of history. From Wikipedia: The idea of an "end of history" does not imply that nothing more will ever happen. Rather, what the postmodern sense of an end of history tends to signify is, in the words of contemporary historian Keith Jenkins, the idea that "the peculiar ways in which the past was historicized (was conceptualized in modernist, linear and essentially metanarrative forms) has now come to an end of its productive life; the all-encompassing 'experiment of modernity' ... is passing away into our postmodern condition". > with the addition of code compliance. That's actually really funny and an astute observation I've never considered. IT sort of aligns well with the delineations as well as things like building code came into existence starting in the 1950s mainly and have evolved to encompass more and more of the process. The managerial state.
- detourdog 3y ago
  I was part of the first generation of designers to have access to desktop publishing and all the entails. I ended up leveraging my computer aptitude to the point where design firms kept me in the technical realm. The digital production realm has greatly informed my design process thinking. Where I use "digital production" efficiency techniques in the analog world. I see my place as a designer as the last generation that is aware to the analog world and able to use digital tools. My hope is that I get a good 15-20 more years of output. I can tell that we have very similar point of views and I would love to talk more about this area. I see each new design aesthetic as embedding a new feature in the overall design constraints.

Aardwolf 3y ago

25 already I had a teacher telling we were in post modernism. I also never grasped the definition of it, if it has any. Can we really be that long in a same "era"?

nemo44x 3y ago
Yeah I hear ya. I think it’s generally a lot of notions. The general zeitgeist and a bunch of other of Heidegger’s ideas and those he influenced. I do think there are real distinctions though. You see it profoundly in literature. Modernist literature has many different concerns in terms of structure, narrative, form, etc. Postmodernist writing just completely deconstructed it and reformed it. And I think that’s a big part of postmodernism - deconstruction. You see it in so many artifacts, social systems, and day-to-day life. Saying that I think we are in more of a hyper modern world today which is an extension of post but even more broken down and individualized and virtual. A works where we have multiple identities and exist in multiple places at once in different forms.
- detourdog 3y ago
  Funnily enough I remember when deconstructionists hit Architecture. My school had a wild deconstructionists architecture department. Led by Larry Mitnick. I have a friend in the program whose dad was a "Post-Modernist" Yalie architect horrified at what his son was calling architecture. Eventually he went to Yale like his dad... I prefer to think of that period as deeper understanding of the patterns that humans in a society must endure while living in a totally built world. https://www.design.upenn.edu/people/larry-mitnick https://www.design.upenn.edu/people/larry-mitnick I still remember him lecture me on up and down during a summer program in 11th grade. He also told me I should spend my life studying corners. Still inspiring words to this day but I knew I just had to be an industrial designer. I went to talks hosted by them that included: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hejduk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Hejduk https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Libeskind https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daniel_Libeskind I want to believe I saw Rem Koolhas as well... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rem_Koolhaas Liebskind was speaking after winning the Jewish Museum in Berlin but before it was built. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_Berlin https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Museum_Berlin I have to give gratitude to HN for providing me a context to share my thoughts on deconstructionist and design. This I'm sure drives my resistance to new terms. I see the simplicity of Modernism as the least number of rules. This provides the designer to conceive of the manufactured through the required parameters.

nologic01 3y ago

Wow, thats quite a link. Tx. Need to find the time to go through this collection.

nemo44x 3y ago
I hope you enjoy it. It’s really great imo. I was stuck in the hospital for a couple weeks when I read the book. It’s remarkable and Robert Hughes was one of those rare critics that was a sort of teacher and philosopher who loved the things he was in task of critically analyzing.