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While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, th

by dudus 3y ago

While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Why do businesses fear litigation so much, they hire lawyers to write and maintain a huge document nobody can ever read or understand? This is failure from governments that can't set basic rules for human interaction. All this

Cthulhu_ 3y ago
> Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Are you serious?
beebeepka 3y ago
> While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? What does that even mean? Laws trump Terms of service/agreements and contracts of any kind. Do they not?
- ropintus 3y ago
  I think he meant that instead of each company creating their own ToS, the government should set the standard or limitations on what a company can do. > Laws trump Terms of service/agreements and contracts of any kind. Web is not regulated by the government.
  - beebeepka 3y ago
    "The government"? Which one? Some governments do regulate certain aspects of the web directly. All companies have to do is abide the local rules set by regulations, if such exist. And some very much do. Maybe not in your jurisdiction? I think you two have things backwards
    - ropintus 3y ago
      > All companies have to do is abide the local rules set by regulations The point being that there are not enough regulations. One feature that I wish exist is the option to completely erase your account on a particular website along with the data they have collected from you (there can a waiting time of few months before they erase it from their servers). This feature can only be bought out by government regulation because most websites don't have the incentive.
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andyjohnson0 3y ago
> can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Because "the web" (ie the internet) isn't a natural object. Its composed of stuff owned by companies and people, and they have the right to say how you use their stuff when you interact with it.
Closi 3y ago
Because different companies will reasonably need different terms, and it's important that these are set out somewhere and accessible. I wouldn't expect the same terms to apply for my public twitter posts as my paid fastmail account.
rebolek 3y ago
Why do we have to abide by rules while going around in the world? I'm not in favour of abusive ToS, but your argument isn't the best one that can be made against it.

by dudus 3y ago

Cthulhu_ 3y ago

> Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Are you serious?

beebeepka 3y ago

> While we are talking about it... can we make ToS ilegal? What does that even mean? Laws trump Terms of service/agreements and contracts of any kind. Do they not?

ropintus 3y ago
I think he meant that instead of each company creating their own ToS, the government should set the standard or limitations on what a company can do. > Laws trump Terms of service/agreements and contracts of any kind. Web is not regulated by the government.
- beebeepka 3y ago
  "The government"? Which one? Some governments do regulate certain aspects of the web directly. All companies have to do is abide the local rules set by regulations, if such exist. And some very much do. Maybe not in your jurisdiction? I think you two have things backwards
  - ropintus 3y ago
    > All companies have to do is abide the local rules set by regulations The point being that there are not enough regulations. One feature that I wish exist is the option to completely erase your account on a particular website along with the data they have collected from you (there can a waiting time of few months before they erase it from their servers). This feature can only be bought out by government regulation because most websites don't have the incentive.

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andyjohnson0 3y ago

> can we make ToS ilegal? Why do we have to abide by rules while browsing the web? Because "the web" (ie the internet) isn't a natural object. Its composed of stuff owned by companies and people, and they have the right to say how you use their stuff when you interact with it.

Closi 3y ago

Because different companies will reasonably need different terms, and it's important that these are set out somewhere and accessible. I wouldn't expect the same terms to apply for my public twitter posts as my paid fastmail account.

rebolek 3y ago

Why do we have to abide by rules while going around in the world? I'm not in favour of abusive ToS, but your argument isn't the best one that can be made against it.