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Since this is one of the few non-scam-related uses of cryptocurrency, I'm fine with Kagi making use of it for anonymous subscriptions (while they still can). A

by gary_0 3y ago

Since this is one of the few non-scam-related uses of cryptocurrency, I'm fine with Kagi making use of it for anonymous subscriptions (while they still can). Also, even though "web3" needs to go die in a fire, doesn't it kind of suck that there might never be a good equivalent to plain old cash for buying stuff online?

colesantiago 3y ago
I disagree with this. There are better ways of having privacy preserving payments other than cash without being identified or using a service, vouchers come to mind that Kagi can do rather than crypto. It is still a grift and a scam as it is not 'really' anonymous at all so Kagi has wasted all this effort for something that no one that is legitimate user will use.
- gary_0 3y ago
  I'm interested in what alternatives there might be to Bitcoin-style systems for "online cash". What do you mean by "vouchers"? How would that work, how would Kagi implement it? > it is not 'really' anonymous When you pay cash in meatspace there is still a paper trail, CCTVs watching you, bank rules about large deposits/withdrawals, etc. "Anonymous" isn't a binary. And while Bitcoin et al isn't perfect (and I've never gone to the trouble of using it) it can't be any worse than all of my purchases being instantly datamined by Visa/Mastercard.
- freediver 3y ago
  It may be and it will probably not move the needle much for Kagi, but also it was one of the most requested features on Kagi forums [1] While I am personally not a crypto user, I think respecting the upvote mechanism as a legitimate way for Kagi users to steer the development of the platform is the least we can do if we want to call ourselves a user-centric company. It was also an interesting learning experience, implementing it was much harder than we anticipated and I hope others in the same position can benefit from our learnings. [1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala-bitcoinmonero https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala...
  - Melting_Harps 3y ago
    > It was also an interesting learning experience, implementing it was much harder than we anticipated and I hope others in the same position can benefit from our learnings. Well done, never mind that guy, he clearly has an axe to grind and doesn't seem to grasp very much other than his out of touch talking points: did you look into using BTCPAY [0] server? Things are still not as easy as they should, but have seriously advanced in the last few years. 0: https://btcpayserver.org/ https://btcpayserver.org/

by gary_0 3y ago

colesantiago 3y ago

I disagree with this. There are better ways of having privacy preserving payments other than cash without being identified or using a service, vouchers come to mind that Kagi can do rather than crypto. It is still a grift and a scam as it is not 'really' anonymous at all so Kagi has wasted all this effort for something that no one that is legitimate user will use.

gary_0 3y ago
I'm interested in what alternatives there might be to Bitcoin-style systems for "online cash". What do you mean by "vouchers"? How would that work, how would Kagi implement it? > it is not 'really' anonymous When you pay cash in meatspace there is still a paper trail, CCTVs watching you, bank rules about large deposits/withdrawals, etc. "Anonymous" isn't a binary. And while Bitcoin et al isn't perfect (and I've never gone to the trouble of using it) it can't be any worse than all of my purchases being instantly datamined by Visa/Mastercard.
freediver 3y ago
It may be and it will probably not move the needle much for Kagi, but also it was one of the most requested features on Kagi forums [1] While I am personally not a crypto user, I think respecting the upvote mechanism as a legitimate way for Kagi users to steer the development of the platform is the least we can do if we want to call ourselves a user-centric company. It was also an interesting learning experience, implementing it was much harder than we anticipated and I hope others in the same position can benefit from our learnings. [1] https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala-bitcoinmonero https://kagifeedback.org/d/493-enable-anonymous-payments-ala...
- Melting_Harps 3y ago
  > It was also an interesting learning experience, implementing it was much harder than we anticipated and I hope others in the same position can benefit from our learnings. Well done, never mind that guy, he clearly has an axe to grind and doesn't seem to grasp very much other than his out of touch talking points: did you look into using BTCPAY [0] server? Things are still not as easy as they should, but have seriously advanced in the last few years. 0: https://btcpayserver.org/ https://btcpayserver.org/