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The arrogance of the NYC and New York State governments regarding the entire Bill of Rights apparently knows no bounds. This is a stereotypical example of a go

The arrogance of the NYC and New York State governments regarding the entire Bill of Rights apparently knows no bounds. This is a stereotypical example of a government which believes its citizens aren't constituents whom they serve, but stupid proles who have to be kept down by their alleged "betters."

woodruffw 3y ago
There is an almost infinite amount of things to reasonably blame the NYC and NYS governments for, but this doesn't look like one of them (other than in the basic sense of enabling this behavior through budgeting): it's the act of a largely unaccountable police force, rather than a legislative order or rule.
- psunavy03 3y ago
  The NYC government, at the very least, is ultimately accountable for the acts of its police department. My NYS comment was a more wide-ranging shot at what happens to individual rights when one political party (red or blue) gets to call the shots. But if the NYPD is really "unaccountable" to the NYC government, well, that seems like a ripe situation for the Feds to step in because the local government has lost control. A PD which isn't accountable to its elected government isn't a PD; it's an armed gang.
  - woodruffw 3y ago
    > But if the NYPD is really "unaccountable" to the NYC government, well, that seems like a ripe situation for the Feds to step in because the local government has lost control. A PD which isn't accountable to its elected government isn't a PD; it's an armed gang. We're in agreement!
hazmazlaz 3y ago
Perhaps you should brush up on your constitutional law, because at least in this one instance the Bill of Rights is entirely being respected. Also consider that for every noise complaint to the police, there is a complainant - a citizen constituent - who is being bothered by a loud party. But let's forget about those people, their rights to reasonable peace and quiet don't matter? I don't agree with that stance.
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woodruffw 3y ago

There is an almost infinite amount of things to reasonably blame the NYC and NYS governments for, but this doesn't look like one of them (other than in the basic sense of enabling this behavior through budgeting): it's the act of a largely unaccountable police force, rather than a legislative order or rule.

psunavy03 3y ago
The NYC government, at the very least, is ultimately accountable for the acts of its police department. My NYS comment was a more wide-ranging shot at what happens to individual rights when one political party (red or blue) gets to call the shots. But if the NYPD is really "unaccountable" to the NYC government, well, that seems like a ripe situation for the Feds to step in because the local government has lost control. A PD which isn't accountable to its elected government isn't a PD; it's an armed gang.
- woodruffw 3y ago
  > But if the NYPD is really "unaccountable" to the NYC government, well, that seems like a ripe situation for the Feds to step in because the local government has lost control. A PD which isn't accountable to its elected government isn't a PD; it's an armed gang. We're in agreement!

hazmazlaz 3y ago

Perhaps you should brush up on your constitutional law, because at least in this one instance the Bill of Rights is entirely being respected. Also consider that for every noise complaint to the police, there is a complainant - a citizen constituent - who is being bothered by a loud party. But let's forget about those people, their rights to reasonable peace and quiet don't matter? I don't agree with that stance.

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