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yeah that is just "let's throw random numbers to victimize ourselves even more". I don't think a lot of people downloaded the unfinished source code, compiled

yeah that is just "let's throw random numbers to victimize ourselves even more". I don't think a lot of people downloaded the unfinished source code, compiled it, played the game and never bought the conplete game. The worst that happened were people making memes with some 3d and graphics assets which didn't cost anyrhing to Valve. Quite the opposite it was free advertising.

shortrounddev2 3y ago
The justice department has absurd ways of determining how much damages were caused by unauthorized access. Kevin Mitnick talks about it in his book "Ghost in the Wires", but he was accused of causing $1.5mil in damages to DEC or Sun or something because he copied code, printed it out on paper, and kept it for himself (he didn't distribute it to anyone else). Fortunately, he was ultimately only ordered to pay a few thousand in restitution.
- deaddodo 3y ago
  Not that I can speak for this specific story, as I have no firsthand testimony, but Mitnick is a notorious embellisher, downplayer and (anecdotally) liar.
  - StimDeck 3y ago
    *was
    - deaddodo 3y ago
      I was unaware he passed. My apologies and condolences.
  - deleted 3y ago
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- FreshStart 3y ago
  (Prize of actual secure software +1$)/NrOfPerpetraitors. Makes perfect sense just has nothing to do with justice.
nanidin 3y ago
In around 10th grade a friend and I got the leak just as it came out and then used it to make the characters lips sync to our voices for a chemistry class project. The engine worked, the lips matching word tech was awesome, and people couldn’t believe what we pulled off. Imagine that intro scene in HL2 where you walk through a trap door Pepsi vending machine and behind it there’s a lab - and instead of talking about HL2 stuff, Alyx and company talk about sampling and testing local natural water sources.
- StimDeck 3y ago
  Props, my friends just played through the demos for the most part. Quickly we learned the e3 demo was scripted when it was ostensibly the enemy so reacting to the environment
xwolfi 3y ago
But I did use it as inspiration for an 3D engine project at school, they had geometrical formulas I had trouble to find online, at least efficiently implemented. It helped a bit in reverse engineering their map format too so I could just display any sort of already made map. I imagine that if I branched out in gaming it would have been a nice bonus, it's not everyday you get to see the competition's code. I suppose they lost in opportunity cost to license their thing, a bit ?
- jamesfinlayson 3y ago
  Hard to say - I don't think Valve was ever big on licensing their technology. Source was used for dozens of games in the end (https://vghe.net/source-engine.html https://vghe.net/source-engine.html) which isn't too bad, but Source 2 licensing isn't even offered.
fransje26 3y ago
> The game didn't run on my computer. I made some code changes to get it to run in a basic form without shaders or anything, but it wasn't fun. Some people might have tried, but that doesn't sound like it was a great gaming experience. If it ran at all.
- ChoGGi 3y ago
  It was pretty fun, at least while waiting for the actual game to come out.

shortrounddev2 3y ago

The justice department has absurd ways of determining how much damages were caused by unauthorized access. Kevin Mitnick talks about it in his book "Ghost in the Wires", but he was accused of causing $1.5mil in damages to DEC or Sun or something because he copied code, printed it out on paper, and kept it for himself (he didn't distribute it to anyone else). Fortunately, he was ultimately only ordered to pay a few thousand in restitution.

deaddodo 3y ago
Not that I can speak for this specific story, as I have no firsthand testimony, but Mitnick is a notorious embellisher, downplayer and (anecdotally) liar.
- StimDeck 3y ago
  *was
  - deaddodo 3y ago
    I was unaware he passed. My apologies and condolences.
- deleted 3y ago
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FreshStart 3y ago
(Prize of actual secure software +1$)/NrOfPerpetraitors. Makes perfect sense just has nothing to do with justice.

nanidin 3y ago

In around 10th grade a friend and I got the leak just as it came out and then used it to make the characters lips sync to our voices for a chemistry class project. The engine worked, the lips matching word tech was awesome, and people couldn’t believe what we pulled off. Imagine that intro scene in HL2 where you walk through a trap door Pepsi vending machine and behind it there’s a lab - and instead of talking about HL2 stuff, Alyx and company talk about sampling and testing local natural water sources.

StimDeck 3y ago
Props, my friends just played through the demos for the most part. Quickly we learned the e3 demo was scripted when it was ostensibly the enemy so reacting to the environment

xwolfi 3y ago

But I did use it as inspiration for an 3D engine project at school, they had geometrical formulas I had trouble to find online, at least efficiently implemented. It helped a bit in reverse engineering their map format too so I could just display any sort of already made map. I imagine that if I branched out in gaming it would have been a nice bonus, it's not everyday you get to see the competition's code. I suppose they lost in opportunity cost to license their thing, a bit ?

jamesfinlayson 3y ago
Hard to say - I don't think Valve was ever big on licensing their technology. Source was used for dozens of games in the end (https://vghe.net/source-engine.html https://vghe.net/source-engine.html) which isn't too bad, but Source 2 licensing isn't even offered.

fransje26 3y ago

> The game didn't run on my computer. I made some code changes to get it to run in a basic form without shaders or anything, but it wasn't fun. Some people might have tried, but that doesn't sound like it was a great gaming experience. If it ran at all.

ChoGGi 3y ago
It was pretty fun, at least while waiting for the actual game to come out.