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This is basically updating an existing rule to bring it more in line with today's market.

ortusdux 3y ago
I would love for things like this to be pegged to some sort of metric, but once you do that the focus shifts to gaming that metric.
lotsofpulp 3y ago
It should have been brought up to $200k per year. Exempt employees are pretty much always used to get around sufficiently staffing, either with sufficient redundant number of employees or sufficiently paying for dependable employees. I assume anyone with a customer facing “manager” title is just the on call employee who trades their ability to earn overtime for less volatility in their pay (salary). This is especially prevalent in immigrant communities with chain migration where the more recent families that migrate are expected operate a convenience store/gas station/motel/laundromat/franchise restaurant/etc day and night 7 days per week in exchange for the minimum allowed exempt salary.
- teaearlgraycold 3y ago
  Tell me you make 200k without telling me you make 200k Edit: I think HN misunderstood my comment. It was a joke, not an accusation.
  - lotsofpulp 3y ago
    $200k was chosen so that the exempt employee might actually end up being a real manager with an ability to manage and have control of a budget and increase payrates if necessary. Could be higher for all I care. It should also apply to more than 8 hours per day like it does in California.
    - skyyler 3y ago
      Do retail or foodservice managers make 200k?
      - lotsofpulp 3y ago
        No, but they are not really managers. > I assume anyone with a customer facing “manager” title is just the on call employee who trades their ability to earn overtime for less volatility in their pay (salary). Whoever is telling them that they can only hire people at minimum wage plus $1 or $2 is the manager. I don’t mind if they are exempt from overtime pay, since they would actually have to be the ones working on call when short staffed…rather than sit behind a desk adjusting spreadsheets.
      - bearjaws 3y ago
        Funny you bring that up, since they are the ones getting burnt 99% of the time by the title "manager". Manager for most retail and food service are people who just pick up the slack when someone calls out or the chain is understaffed (aka 100% of the time). If they are lucky, they do the hiring and firing, but that means you have to make hard decisions about how much free time you will have.
b0z0z0 3y ago
Then why did the H1 Visa allotments get increased recently? I'm sure its just their way to save face.

I would love for things like this to be pegged to some sort of metric, but once you do that the focus shifts to gaming that metric.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

It should have been brought up to $200k per year. Exempt employees are pretty much always used to get around sufficiently staffing, either with sufficient redundant number of employees or sufficiently paying for dependable employees. I assume anyone with a customer facing “manager” title is just the on call employee who trades their ability to earn overtime for less volatility in their pay (salary). This is especially prevalent in immigrant communities with chain migration where the more recent families that migrate are expected operate a convenience store/gas station/motel/laundromat/franchise restaurant/etc day and night 7 days per week in exchange for the minimum allowed exempt salary.

teaearlgraycold 3y ago
Tell me you make 200k without telling me you make 200k Edit: I think HN misunderstood my comment. It was a joke, not an accusation.
- lotsofpulp 3y ago
  $200k was chosen so that the exempt employee might actually end up being a real manager with an ability to manage and have control of a budget and increase payrates if necessary. Could be higher for all I care. It should also apply to more than 8 hours per day like it does in California.
  - skyyler 3y ago
    Do retail or foodservice managers make 200k?
    - lotsofpulp 3y ago
      No, but they are not really managers. > I assume anyone with a customer facing “manager” title is just the on call employee who trades their ability to earn overtime for less volatility in their pay (salary). Whoever is telling them that they can only hire people at minimum wage plus $1 or $2 is the manager. I don’t mind if they are exempt from overtime pay, since they would actually have to be the ones working on call when short staffed…rather than sit behind a desk adjusting spreadsheets.
    - bearjaws 3y ago
      Funny you bring that up, since they are the ones getting burnt 99% of the time by the title "manager". Manager for most retail and food service are people who just pick up the slack when someone calls out or the chain is understaffed (aka 100% of the time). If they are lucky, they do the hiring and firing, but that means you have to make hard decisions about how much free time you will have.

b0z0z0 3y ago

Then why did the H1 Visa allotments get increased recently? I'm sure its just their way to save face.