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What does that have to do with this discussion on free speech?

MichaelZuo 3y ago
> This is a fairly lazy analysis that plays on America’s often unspoken cultural beliefs around race. While it is true that race is a major cultural marker in America, this fact is not innate and the oft repeated argument that “homogenous” societies can do things that we can’t amounts to little more than “we can’t do it because we are different”. You italicized innate so I assumed you meant to put special emphasis on that part? For example, it's at least theoretically possible for someone who had ancestors a few generations ago that were enslaved to suffer some bonafide inherited and disadvantageous epigenetic mutations. Or for those who has ancestors who got shell-shocked in past wars, got involved in serious car crashes, etc... I'm not sure if such factors should be considered legally, lest competition turn it into some kind of pity olympics, but there's a non-zero chance large segments of the population came out of the womb genuinely, innately, disadvantaged slightly.
- comte7092 3y ago
  > For example, it's at least theoretically possible for someone who had ancestors a few generations ago that were enslaved to suffer some bonafide inherited and disadvantageous epigenetic mutations. Emphasis on theoretically. > there's a non-zero chance large segments of the population came out of the womb genuinely, innately, disadvantaged slightly. may be slightly affected. Again, how is this relevant to a discussion on free speech? My point was that there is no innate reason why race would lead to politically divergent opinions, at least not to the degree that it would lead to such major discord that it would require a fundamentally different model of free speech in society.
  - MichaelZuo 3y ago
    I agree? That's why I replied with a 'Not quite true' instead of a flat 'No' or 'that's incorrect' or some variation. It's somewhat relevant since these epigenetic mutations can increase the probability of someone being a misanthrope, for example, that just hates other people and who doesn't care about their lack of free speech. Or vice versa, someone with increased anxiety/nervousness/etc., and would be exceedingly disturbed by even small regressions in free speech rights.

> This is a fairly lazy analysis that plays on America’s often unspoken cultural beliefs around race. While it is true that race is a major cultural marker in America, this fact is not innate and the oft repeated argument that “homogenous” societies can do things that we can’t amounts to little more than “we can’t do it because we are different”. You italicized innate so I assumed you meant to put special emphasis on that part? For example, it's at least theoretically possible for someone who had ancestors a few generations ago that were enslaved to suffer some bonafide inherited and disadvantageous epigenetic mutations. Or for those who has ancestors who got shell-shocked in past wars, got involved in serious car crashes, etc... I'm not sure if such factors should be considered legally, lest competition turn it into some kind of pity olympics, but there's a non-zero chance large segments of the population came out of the womb genuinely, innately, disadvantaged slightly.

comte7092 3y ago
> For example, it's at least theoretically possible for someone who had ancestors a few generations ago that were enslaved to suffer some bonafide inherited and disadvantageous epigenetic mutations. Emphasis on theoretically. > there's a non-zero chance large segments of the population came out of the womb genuinely, innately, disadvantaged slightly. may be slightly affected. Again, how is this relevant to a discussion on free speech? My point was that there is no innate reason why race would lead to politically divergent opinions, at least not to the degree that it would lead to such major discord that it would require a fundamentally different model of free speech in society.
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  I agree? That's why I replied with a 'Not quite true' instead of a flat 'No' or 'that's incorrect' or some variation. It's somewhat relevant since these epigenetic mutations can increase the probability of someone being a misanthrope, for example, that just hates other people and who doesn't care about their lack of free speech. Or vice versa, someone with increased anxiety/nervousness/etc., and would be exceedingly disturbed by even small regressions in free speech rights.