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The solution is fewer people - which is the direction they are headed. S.Korea has twice the population density of Germany for instance. So cutting in to half t

The solution is fewer people - which is the direction they are headed. S.Korea has twice the population density of Germany for instance. So cutting in to half the current number seems about right. Honest question: who benefits from population growth besides developers?

bryanlarsen 3y ago
Rapid changes are always problematic, no matter the direction. Society and environments can accommodate slow changes much easier than they can accommodate quick ones.
avisser 3y ago
Old people. Any socialized support system is predicated on growth.
RestlessMind 3y ago
> Honest question: who benefits from population growth besides developers? Honest answer: next generation of retirees / older people. They need young people in multiple ways - 1. to sustain welfare (which is pay-as-you-go universally), 2. production of food / entertainment / stuff, 3. services If you think automation is going to solve that, just look at who were "essential service workers"[1] in Covid where governments had to make exceptions even in the early days of pandemic when things were at their scariest. All those are essential functions for the society. Who is going to handle all of that when each next generation is only 35% of the previous generation's size (with a TFR of 0.7)? [1] One example: https://covid19.ca.gov/essential-workforce/ https://covid19.ca.gov/essential-workforce/
- MichaelZuo 3y ago
  Huh? 'Essential service workers' don't even make up 20% of the current adult population of the US.
- intrasight 3y ago
  Immigration and automation
  - RestlessMind 3y ago
    Question was - "who benefits from population growth" You know that immigrants don't grow on trees or in labs, right? They are also part of "population growth", just somewhere else. And bringing too many of them en mass is already destabilizing infertile societies (see: European ones).
anthonypasq 3y ago
everyone. more humans = more geniuses = more technology = more everything. The modern world would not have existed with a global population capped at 100k humans or something
- michaelhoney 3y ago
  I agree that 100k is dangerously low, but say 1 billion would be fine
mensetmanusman 3y ago
Well, we probably can’t support the semiconductor supply chain with half the workers due to the statistics involved of the percentage of humans interested/capable in stem.

bryanlarsen 3y ago

Rapid changes are always problematic, no matter the direction. Society and environments can accommodate slow changes much easier than they can accommodate quick ones.

avisser 3y ago

Old people. Any socialized support system is predicated on growth.

RestlessMind 3y ago

> Honest question: who benefits from population growth besides developers? Honest answer: next generation of retirees / older people. They need young people in multiple ways - 1. to sustain welfare (which is pay-as-you-go universally), 2. production of food / entertainment / stuff, 3. services If you think automation is going to solve that, just look at who were "essential service workers"[1] in Covid where governments had to make exceptions even in the early days of pandemic when things were at their scariest. All those are essential functions for the society. Who is going to handle all of that when each next generation is only 35% of the previous generation's size (with a TFR of 0.7)? [1] One example: https://covid19.ca.gov/essential-workforce/ https://covid19.ca.gov/essential-workforce/

MichaelZuo 3y ago
Huh? 'Essential service workers' don't even make up 20% of the current adult population of the US.
intrasight 3y ago
Immigration and automation
- RestlessMind 3y ago
  Question was - "who benefits from population growth" You know that immigrants don't grow on trees or in labs, right? They are also part of "population growth", just somewhere else. And bringing too many of them en mass is already destabilizing infertile societies (see: European ones).

anthonypasq 3y ago

everyone. more humans = more geniuses = more technology = more everything. The modern world would not have existed with a global population capped at 100k humans or something

michaelhoney 3y ago
I agree that 100k is dangerously low, but say 1 billion would be fine

mensetmanusman 3y ago

Well, we probably can’t support the semiconductor supply chain with half the workers due to the statistics involved of the percentage of humans interested/capable in stem.