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Corrupt to what degree? Ensuring his donors get their money's worth or actually committing crimes for self-enrichment? It's clear he was beholden to the financ

Corrupt to what degree? Ensuring his donors get their money's worth or actually committing crimes for self-enrichment? It's clear he was beholden to the financial industry and that stinks but is technically above board. I'm going to hazard a guess that his legacy matters more to him then cash in the bank. I find it fascinating that those that obsess over "Crooked Joe" seem to change their tune when their preferred candidate comes under scrutiny. Maybe I'm too stupid but it's almost like they don't care about the crime, only in destroying their political enemies.

nailer 3y ago
Not a US citizen, but the main issues seem to be: - Hunter Biden extracting 5 million dollars from the Chinese businessman with apparent knowledge of Joe Biden (per the taped phone call) - His son's Burisma appointment with little to no experience in the energy industry and nothing to add apart from his father's connections (matter of public knowledge). - FBI election tampering regarding suppressing the true story of his son's laptop (revealed during the Twitter files). However: - they haven't been tried, much less proven in a US court - these actions may be less severe than previous instances of corruption amongst US presidents - Biden may not have been aware of the FBI's action concerning suppressing the laptop story
- pstuart 3y ago
  Joe Biden has no control over his adult son. Hunter Biden clearly was engaging in shenanigans based off of his father's name (the board membership was technically legal, morally unpalatable). There's no evidence that Joe actually sold his influence directly. Virtually all Biden supporters agree that if Hunter did illegal acts he should face trial and resulting consequences, and the same for his father. But we also agree that such rigor be applied across the aisle. Perhaps I'm out of touch, but I am not aware of any such agreement on the other side. Again, it's almost like they don't care about the crime, only in smearing their political rivals. But the party of law and order wouldn't do that, right? The suppression of the laptop story was trying to tamp down a political ops maneuver (an October surprise). I can understand the frustration in seeing that happen, as it worked so well when they did the same thing to HRC in the prior election. There's a reason why the phrase "buttery males" exists -- for this is the exact same "buttery males" playbook: all that matters is that the story exists and is damaging and voters will lap it up. Disclaimer: I voted for the current president but I'm not a member of his party and am strongly anti-partisan.
  - saalweachter 3y ago
    > The suppression of the laptop story was trying to tamp down a political ops maneuver (an October surprise). I can understand the frustration in seeing that happen, as it worked so well when they did the same thing to HRC in the prior election. It's also worth noting that Joe Biden was not President during the 2020 election season.
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  - nailer 3y ago
    > Joe Biden has no control over his adult son. Sure but Hunter has stated on tape that Joe was in the room with him. That could be a lie but it’s definitely worth investigating. > Virtually all Biden supporters agree that if Hunter did illegal acts he should face trial and resulting consequences, and the same for his father. I don’t think most Biden supporters even realise the tape exists, so the idea of criminal investigation would be so far fetched. In their minds China / Burisma didn’t happen and they probably don’t know about government agencies suppressing the laptop story to influence the election. Not because they’re bad but because the US treats politics like a team sport and TV news only reports on what benefits their ‘team’. And sure, investigate Trump over paying Stormy using campaign money. > The suppression of the laptop story was trying to tamp down a political ops maneuver (an October surprise). Government agencies (who falsely briefed Twitter and Meta about the laptop being Russian disinformation) should not be working for any candidate. > so well when they did the same thing to HRC in the prior election. I haven’t heard about gov agencies doing anything in aid of Trump or against HRC.
    - pstuart 3y ago
      Again, we recognize that corruption took place but is unfortunately legal and endemic (certainly not limited to one specific party). This corruption should be ended, but there's one little problem. You. And all the others making a stink about this. You don't care about corruption, only in smiting your political enemies. Neither does any of the members of the senate committee or anyone else obsessed with this. The only thing that matters is "the story" and the taint of its implications. This is frustrating beyond belief, because most of us non-believers in this nonsense would love to right these wrongs but it will only happen if addressed in a bipartisan manner. That would require an interest in good government rather than power, and day by day it's clearer and clearer that power itself is the only goal. Meanwhile, the cult continues its worship of a man who is literally corrupt to the core whose only interest is in self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement. I take no pleasure in these observations (quite the opposite, in fact). As with any other cult, there is no possibility for reason or reflection and the only reaction to that engagement is to double down on their beliefs. Political discussion is usually avoided in polite society because it devolves into tribal warfare. That's most unfortunate because the actions of the political class have literally life and death repercussions and strongly shape the health of the country. So while I did point out flaws in your tribe, I didn't do it to claim my tribe is better. First and foremost, I am not a member of any political party, and equally important, I believe we should have a nation that operates under the rule of law in a manner that serves us all the best it can (regardless of affiliation). The committee reports: https://oversight.house.gov/report/ https://oversight.house.gov/report/ edit: the committee's been at it for some time and the only thing they've come up with is the appearance of impropriety. That's it. One would think that with all their resources and zeal to stamp out this corruption that they'd have a smoking gun by now and would use that to try and convict Biden Sr. But they won't (because it's quite likely nothing exists) and they don't want their game to end as it works so well to keep you and others up in arms and ready to "vote the bad guys out".
lapcat 3y ago
> It's clear he was beholden to the financial industry and that stinks but is technically above board. IMO your definition of "corruption" has a very low bar. ;-) > I'm going to hazard a guess that his legacy matters more to him then cash in the bank. Legacy requires election which requires campaign donors. It's quid pro quo. Theoretically, elected representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, not their donors. > I find it fascinating that those that obsess over "Crooked Joe" seem to change their tune when their preferred candidate comes under scrutiny. I just said literally "I don't identify with any political party or politician, in case you think this criticism is partisan."

nailer 3y ago

Not a US citizen, but the main issues seem to be: - Hunter Biden extracting 5 million dollars from the Chinese businessman with apparent knowledge of Joe Biden (per the taped phone call) - His son's Burisma appointment with little to no experience in the energy industry and nothing to add apart from his father's connections (matter of public knowledge). - FBI election tampering regarding suppressing the true story of his son's laptop (revealed during the Twitter files). However: - they haven't been tried, much less proven in a US court - these actions may be less severe than previous instances of corruption amongst US presidents - Biden may not have been aware of the FBI's action concerning suppressing the laptop story

pstuart 3y ago
Joe Biden has no control over his adult son. Hunter Biden clearly was engaging in shenanigans based off of his father's name (the board membership was technically legal, morally unpalatable). There's no evidence that Joe actually sold his influence directly. Virtually all Biden supporters agree that if Hunter did illegal acts he should face trial and resulting consequences, and the same for his father. But we also agree that such rigor be applied across the aisle. Perhaps I'm out of touch, but I am not aware of any such agreement on the other side. Again, it's almost like they don't care about the crime, only in smearing their political rivals. But the party of law and order wouldn't do that, right? The suppression of the laptop story was trying to tamp down a political ops maneuver (an October surprise). I can understand the frustration in seeing that happen, as it worked so well when they did the same thing to HRC in the prior election. There's a reason why the phrase "buttery males" exists -- for this is the exact same "buttery males" playbook: all that matters is that the story exists and is damaging and voters will lap it up. Disclaimer: I voted for the current president but I'm not a member of his party and am strongly anti-partisan.
- saalweachter 3y ago
  > The suppression of the laptop story was trying to tamp down a political ops maneuver (an October surprise). I can understand the frustration in seeing that happen, as it worked so well when they did the same thing to HRC in the prior election. It's also worth noting that Joe Biden was not President during the 2020 election season.
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- nailer 3y ago
  > Joe Biden has no control over his adult son. Sure but Hunter has stated on tape that Joe was in the room with him. That could be a lie but it’s definitely worth investigating. > Virtually all Biden supporters agree that if Hunter did illegal acts he should face trial and resulting consequences, and the same for his father. I don’t think most Biden supporters even realise the tape exists, so the idea of criminal investigation would be so far fetched. In their minds China / Burisma didn’t happen and they probably don’t know about government agencies suppressing the laptop story to influence the election. Not because they’re bad but because the US treats politics like a team sport and TV news only reports on what benefits their ‘team’. And sure, investigate Trump over paying Stormy using campaign money. > The suppression of the laptop story was trying to tamp down a political ops maneuver (an October surprise). Government agencies (who falsely briefed Twitter and Meta about the laptop being Russian disinformation) should not be working for any candidate. > so well when they did the same thing to HRC in the prior election. I haven’t heard about gov agencies doing anything in aid of Trump or against HRC.
  - pstuart 3y ago
    Again, we recognize that corruption took place but is unfortunately legal and endemic (certainly not limited to one specific party). This corruption should be ended, but there's one little problem. You. And all the others making a stink about this. You don't care about corruption, only in smiting your political enemies. Neither does any of the members of the senate committee or anyone else obsessed with this. The only thing that matters is "the story" and the taint of its implications. This is frustrating beyond belief, because most of us non-believers in this nonsense would love to right these wrongs but it will only happen if addressed in a bipartisan manner. That would require an interest in good government rather than power, and day by day it's clearer and clearer that power itself is the only goal. Meanwhile, the cult continues its worship of a man who is literally corrupt to the core whose only interest is in self-enrichment and self-aggrandizement. I take no pleasure in these observations (quite the opposite, in fact). As with any other cult, there is no possibility for reason or reflection and the only reaction to that engagement is to double down on their beliefs. Political discussion is usually avoided in polite society because it devolves into tribal warfare. That's most unfortunate because the actions of the political class have literally life and death repercussions and strongly shape the health of the country. So while I did point out flaws in your tribe, I didn't do it to claim my tribe is better. First and foremost, I am not a member of any political party, and equally important, I believe we should have a nation that operates under the rule of law in a manner that serves us all the best it can (regardless of affiliation). The committee reports: https://oversight.house.gov/report/ https://oversight.house.gov/report/ edit: the committee's been at it for some time and the only thing they've come up with is the appearance of impropriety. That's it. One would think that with all their resources and zeal to stamp out this corruption that they'd have a smoking gun by now and would use that to try and convict Biden Sr. But they won't (because it's quite likely nothing exists) and they don't want their game to end as it works so well to keep you and others up in arms and ready to "vote the bad guys out".

lapcat 3y ago

> It's clear he was beholden to the financial industry and that stinks but is technically above board. IMO your definition of "corruption" has a very low bar. ;-) > I'm going to hazard a guess that his legacy matters more to him then cash in the bank. Legacy requires election which requires campaign donors. It's quid pro quo. Theoretically, elected representatives are supposed to represent their constituents, not their donors. > I find it fascinating that those that obsess over "Crooked Joe" seem to change their tune when their preferred candidate comes under scrutiny. I just said literally "I don't identify with any political party or politician, in case you think this criticism is partisan."