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I actually think we are on the cusp of the financial equivalent of the 'we no longer support internet explorer' google banner, targeting visa and mastercard. B

I actually think we are on the cusp of the financial equivalent of the 'we no longer support internet explorer' google banner, targeting visa and mastercard. Basically every merchant from panhandlers with square readers to Walmart wants to reduce their interchange fees. Fednow hasn't exactly caught like wildfire like Pix or the india thing whose name I forgot, but it only has to do it once and it can still happen. I think once Walmart and Kroger start to push harder on it and the Request for Payment feature is avaialble, we will see big adoption.

ianburrell 3y ago
FedNow can't yet do requested payments. It is currently only push. I don't think it will ever have pull payments like ACH. Which means the current flow requires finding the account for recipient and put in transfer for the right amount. I heard they are working on requests, and might be possible to whitelist people to pay automatically. FedNow was only just released, it is going to take time to add support. My bank doesn't support it yet.
- iancarroll 3y ago
  I’m pretty sure FedNow launched with RFP support.
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toomuchtodo 3y ago
I’m at a FinTech and some of the merchants we’re in the same orbit with are actively moving to replace credit and debit card payments with FedNow instant payments. One is paying almost $6M/year in debit and CC interchange fees, so they are highly incentivized. Personally, moving money between Wise and Chase bank instantly was magic the first time it happened. Finally felt like I lived in a developed country.
- hnburnsy 3y ago
  I have wondered if FedNow is going to hurt the credit card industry. At least I hope it brings some competition.
  - cagey 3y ago
    Unlikely IMO. According to my limited research, FedNow competes with ACH and other direct payment systems (e.g. Zelle), while credit cards are loan-based.
    - jgalt212 3y ago
      > credit cards are loan-based. should be credit cards are points-based. Many / most credit holders don't care about revolving credit, but they do care about rewards points. This may be US-only.
- cagey 3y ago
  > I’m at a FinTech and some of the merchants we’re in the same orbit with are actively moving to replace credit [...] card payments with FedNow instant payments. What is the benefit to the consumer of using FedNow instead of a credit card when paying for a purchase? Is the merchant planning to add a credit card surcharge, thus the sole "consumer benefit" is avoiding this surcharge?
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  - toomuchtodo 3y ago
    Why would you assume there has to be consumer benefit for this change to be made? Everyone is paying ~3-5% more throughout the economy for interchange fees, some of that will remain as savings or profits in enterprises, some of that will be returned to consumers through lower prices as businesses switch payment rails. Some people will have to pay more to keep using credit cards (whether for float, purchase insurance, or convenience), simple as that.
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ianburrell 3y ago

FedNow can't yet do requested payments. It is currently only push. I don't think it will ever have pull payments like ACH. Which means the current flow requires finding the account for recipient and put in transfer for the right amount. I heard they are working on requests, and might be possible to whitelist people to pay automatically. FedNow was only just released, it is going to take time to add support. My bank doesn't support it yet.

iancarroll 3y ago
I’m pretty sure FedNow launched with RFP support.

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toomuchtodo 3y ago

I’m at a FinTech and some of the merchants we’re in the same orbit with are actively moving to replace credit and debit card payments with FedNow instant payments. One is paying almost $6M/year in debit and CC interchange fees, so they are highly incentivized. Personally, moving money between Wise and Chase bank instantly was magic the first time it happened. Finally felt like I lived in a developed country.

hnburnsy 3y ago
I have wondered if FedNow is going to hurt the credit card industry. At least I hope it brings some competition.
- cagey 3y ago
  Unlikely IMO. According to my limited research, FedNow competes with ACH and other direct payment systems (e.g. Zelle), while credit cards are loan-based.
  - jgalt212 3y ago
    > credit cards are loan-based. should be credit cards are points-based. Many / most credit holders don't care about revolving credit, but they do care about rewards points. This may be US-only.
cagey 3y ago
> I’m at a FinTech and some of the merchants we’re in the same orbit with are actively moving to replace credit [...] card payments with FedNow instant payments. What is the benefit to the consumer of using FedNow instead of a credit card when paying for a purchase? Is the merchant planning to add a credit card surcharge, thus the sole "consumer benefit" is avoiding this surcharge?
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- toomuchtodo 3y ago
  Why would you assume there has to be consumer benefit for this change to be made? Everyone is paying ~3-5% more throughout the economy for interchange fees, some of that will remain as savings or profits in enterprises, some of that will be returned to consumers through lower prices as businesses switch payment rails. Some people will have to pay more to keep using credit cards (whether for float, purchase insurance, or convenience), simple as that.
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